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Has reality set in that we did virtually nothing this offseason?

Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:52 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:52 am
Its kinda wild. All of the best teams make moves despite not having to.

We signed a Zeller (which is somewhat helpful) and added a draft pick that will likely not play much. We didn't do anything else.

We are 100% relying on if our guys are healthy (we already have one main guy out until Christmas-ish), we will be competitive, or we maybe make a move mid season when teams are dumping players.

That reality is starting to set in for me as Training Camp approaches and I'm not mad or upset, its just sorta surreal.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 9:53 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:54 am to
The most important thing we could have done regardless was get Zion healthy, onboard and into the facility buying into the team's future.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:57 am to
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The most important thing we could have done regardless was get Zion healthy, onboard and into the facility buying into the team's future.



I don't disagree.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:59 am to
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Has reality set in that we did virtually nothing this offseason?
The other reality though is, even if we did something, we would still be in the exact same situation..

We're dependent on Zion playing more than 30 games and being available at the end of the season


If we traded BI for Scoot, we would still be dependent on Zion playing more than 30 games and being available at the end of the season

If we traded for Dame(which I wish we would have) we would still be dependent on Zion playing more than 30 games and being available at the end of the season
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:11 am to
They really shouldn't make any more significant moves until they figure out if Zion and Ingram can truly compliment each other and if both guys can stay relatively healthy. Ingram's contract is coming up and Trey is up for one as well. Big decisions in the building is looming.

This is a big year that will have huge implications on whether we stay the course or make wholesale changes.

If shite hits the fan again, I'd like to see them build around the young guys.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:12 am to
Funny I thought we did that last season?
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:14 am to
I dont disagree but these are all assumptions that BI would be the one traded. If Griffin trades any one of those guys for Zion, the Zion healthy issue is gone. I personally believe for Griffin Zion was the one he dangled not BI.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111305 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:16 am to
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They really shouldn't make any more significant moves until they figure out if Zion and Ingram can truly compliment each other and if both guys can stay relatively healthy. Ingram's contract is coming up and Trey is up for one as well. Big decisions in the building is looming.

Not even just that, but we need to know if Zion can figure out this injury thing.

Getting Dame would be pretty disastrous if Zion can't stay healthy. Again, I still wanted Dame, but it's much more risky than, say, Milwaukee getting Dame.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
3232 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:20 am to
Remember when Griff said at the end of the season that it really opened their eyes and they have to get better. Then all he did was sign Cody Zeller hahahaha. Good times man
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:23 am to
I mean

Zion- 29 games
BI- 45 games
Dyson- 1,044 total NBA minutes (35 total games at 30 min)
Liddell- 0 games
Hawkins- 0 games

Jose/ Nance/ Herb all missed about 20 games. And they are our 3 hustle guys that were forced to be on the court and it wore them down.

That’s essentially 5 players that “didn’t play last year” and the rest of our guys won’t have to stay in the game when they are dead and chance risking injury

This isn’t including:

Seabron
The new shooter
Open 2-way
Open Roster spot

We are deep compared to last year even if we deal with the same injuries.

Nance is now our #3 PF if we choose instead of being forced to start with a baby deer to back him up.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 10:24 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
26039 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:29 am to
I whole heartedly agree.


Grizzlies added Marcus Smart and Derrick Rose.

Mavs add Grant Williams, Derrick Jones Jr, Richaun Holmes, and Seth Curry

Warriors add CP3 and Dario Saric

Rockets add Dillon Brooks, Van Vleet and Jeff Green

Lakers add Jaxson, Reddish, Vanderbilt, Vincent and Christian Wood

OKC add Bertans, Garuba and Oladipo

Suns added a ton

Kings add Chris Duarte and JaVale McGee

Portland is rebuilding, but they are going to be a tough team.

The Spurs still suck, and so do the Jazz, and the Clippers only added Kenyon Martin Jr, but you can easily argue that adding Reggie Bullock or John Collins or Kenyon Martin Jr, is a hell of a lot better than adding Cody fricking Zeller.
The only team that did less than us are the defending champion Nuggets.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:32 am to
People are sleeping on Dyson by the way. They tried to compare his production to other guys drafted top 10 and it’s not even comparable.

2022 1st rd picks: Games per 30min Avg

Sheadon Sharpe: 60 games
Banchero: 81 games
Mathurin: 74 games
Ivey: 76.5
Jabari Smith: 81.6
Keegan Murray: 80

Dyson Daniels: 35 games


He will be good. He has less than half the minutes and nba experience than all the other picks. And still showed great skills and Bball IQ with the limited time.



Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96902 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:36 am to
We’re capped out, not consistent enough to be able to take a major risk by going into the tax, and any trade we make has a marginal improvement, at best, considering we have to send out one of CJ, BI, or JV and hope we get someone as good or better back. And that isn’t happening in CJ’s case given his age and contract.


Doing nothing is not great but doing nothing beats doing what Minnesota did last season by mortgaging their future to trade for Gobert, which didn’t make them appreciably better.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
21466 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:45 am to
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The only team that did less than us are the defending champion Nuggets.


And I don't blame the front office one bit, because this is the last year this team is going to have both Ingram and Zion on it if they continue to have injury problems for significant parts of the season.

Your lineup is really fricking good on paper, and no one in the west scares me if we are 100% in May.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:48 am to
Grizzlies: lost Dillon Brooks/ Tyus Jones/ 2 first rd picks

Mavs: Cuban has money and will use it. Can’t say the same for a lot of owners. And they sucked arse past year

Warriors: Traded Jordan Poole for 80 y/o CP3. I’m shaking in my boots

Rockets: Literally had 70 million in open cap space

Lakers: Everyone bails them out, there’s no other nba comparison for their bullshite trades/ free agents

OKC: Bertans is ok. These guys are great 5 years ago

Suns: lost Ayton/ don’t care who they added. They lost Ayton and that makes them worse

Kings: I agree Javale McGee is the difference between winning that championship or not. (Complete sarcasm)

Portland/ Spurs “rebuilding”: Yup confirmed they will both jump us this year and we are not rebuilding or have the 2 best players of our 3 teams combined.


Did you just say John Collins is better than Zeller completely disregarding that 1 makes 1 million and 1 makes 25x that amount? So yeah John Collins is about 25x better than Cody fricking Zeller not argument there.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 10:55 am
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:53 am to
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The only team that did less than us are the defending champion Nuggets


The only team that should do less than us is the team that just won the Championship….

We have a full roster, no cap space, and before the Herb signing had (5) players on rookie contract: Herb/ Trey/ Dyson/ Liddell/ Hawkins. 2 of those guys would be starting on most teams. A 3rd would get a lot of minutes on some teams. And our other 4 starters would be starting on every team besides Val replacing MVP centers.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
3232 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:53 am to
quote:

People are sleeping on Dyson by the way. They tried to compare his production to other guys drafted top 10 and it’s not even comparable.

2022 1st rd picks: Games per 30min Avg

Sheadon Sharpe: 60 games
Banchero: 81 games
Mathurin: 74 games
Ivey: 76.5
Jabari Smith: 81.6
Keegan Murray: 80

Dyson Daniels: 35 games


He will be good. He has less than half the minutes and nba experience than all the other picks. And still showed great skills and Bball IQ with the limited time.




I was dyson's biggest fan in the draft and was over the moon when we drafted him but holy hell, his offensive game is scary bad. He has A LOT of work to do to just be passable on offense and idk if this team will have the patience to see that through
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111305 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:54 am to
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He will be good. He has less than half the minutes and nba experience than all the other picks. And still showed great skills and Bball IQ with the limited time.

I'm concerned about what I saw from him in Summer League. It was the same as last year. Can't shoot the 3, very timid and not aggressive with the ball in his hand. He can be a great passer in theory, but he'll never be a great passer if he's too timid to break down a defense.

He's young, so there's time for growth, but in Summer League, he seemed to play exactly like he did last season with no discernible improvements seen.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
1916 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:54 am to
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And I don't blame the front office one bit


Idk, Teddy provides a decent argument on a lot of teams getting better. Team had one job this offseason, sans Zion and BI’s health, upgrade the pivot.
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52718 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:57 am to
We at the very least should have added shooting depth. We didn’t do that. People say we shouldn’t make any moves until we know Zion can be healthy but he’s not gonna stay healthy being quadruple teamed in the paint. No one is gonna be threatened by any of our shooters except Trey (out 2 months at least) and maybe CJ. I worry Z and BI are constantly going to be taking tough shots night in a night out
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