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Science is debunking itself again
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:46 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:46 am
as it has done many times over the centuries.
This time its about the big bang and the origin of the universe.
But particular subject doesn't matter, big bang, evolution, climate change, will all eventually get their debunking.
Is There a Crisis in the Cosmos - (NYT paywall avoided)
This time its about the big bang and the origin of the universe.
But particular subject doesn't matter, big bang, evolution, climate change, will all eventually get their debunking.
Is There a Crisis in the Cosmos - (NYT paywall avoided)
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According to the standard model, which is the basis for essentially all research in the field, there is a fixed and precise sequence of events that followed the Big Bang: First, the force of gravity pulled together denser regions in the cooling cosmic gas, which grew to become stars and black holes; then, the force of gravity pulled together the stars into galaxies.
The Webb data, though, revealed that some very large galaxies formed really fast, in too short a time, at least according to the standard model. This was no minor discrepancy. The finding is akin to parents and their children appearing in a story when the grandparents are still children themselves.
It was not, unfortunately, an isolated incident. There have been other recent occasions in which the evidence behind science’s basic understanding of the universe has been found to be alarmingly inconsistent.
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:49 am to TrueTiger
This is what happens when the "theory" is developed to fit a preferred conclusion.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:50 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:52 am to TrueTiger
You think evolution will be “debunked”?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:53 am to TrueTiger
It seems that all "scientific" theories about creation defy the 1st law of thermo and require at least one miracle.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:57 am to TrueTiger
It is amusing that science relies on measurement and reason but the entire theory is based on one big miracle where everything came from nothing.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:58 am to TrueTiger
Did you even read the source of what you posted? Do you think this “debunks” the Big Bang theory?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:11 am to TrueTiger
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And now new data from the Webb have exacerbated the problem. This trend suggests a flaw in the model, not in the data.
I appreciate this comment in the article. This is the way science should be done (and is done for the most part). Develop a model, test the model, gather data and see if the data fits the model. If the data does not fit the model, measure better or get a new model.
The climate science and vaccine industry does not approach science like this. Climate science and the vaccine industry approach science by developing a model and mold data to fit model and declare, IT'S SCIENCE!
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:13 am to TrueTiger
This book is interested, re god and the universe + science
Supports science and an intelligent designer, with profound insights and evidence.
Supports science and an intelligent designer, with profound insights and evidence.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:20 am to TrueTiger
Reality doesn't exist without an observer.
Therefore, the Big Bang couldn't have happened without the Observer.
Therefore, the Big Bang couldn't have happened without the Observer.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:44 am to TrueTiger
Probably because the models don't understand that mass affects both gravity and time the way they think it does. There was an unfathomable amount of mass concentrated in a small absolute area, according to the theory, so much so that there is no understanding of how these things relate.
Many scientists are ego driven douches that won't let bad ideas die, too.
Many scientists are ego driven douches that won't let bad ideas die, too.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:46 am to TrueTiger
This isn't debunking. Scientists do not have the capability to see back all the way to the big bang and their models can't go back all the way to the start either.
This has not changed. This new evidence of large galaxies existing before they should have due to physics calculations was a head scratcher at first.
It still isn't settled but there have already been new discoveries that could explain why these galaxies developed sooner than expected. Don't quote me but it has something to do with blackholes forming in ways that weren't previously predicted.
Contrary to popular belief here, scientist do NOT think they know it all. There are lots of things that remain unexplained.
This has not changed. This new evidence of large galaxies existing before they should have due to physics calculations was a head scratcher at first.
It still isn't settled but there have already been new discoveries that could explain why these galaxies developed sooner than expected. Don't quote me but it has something to do with blackholes forming in ways that weren't previously predicted.
Contrary to popular belief here, scientist do NOT think they know it all. There are lots of things that remain unexplained.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:49 am to TrueTiger
Science works on the Thomas McKenna quote “give us one free miracle and we’ll explain the rest.”
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:57 am to TrueTiger
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The Webb data, though, revealed that some very large galaxies formed really fast, in too short a time, at least according to the standard model. This was no minor discrepancy. The finding is akin to parents and their children appearing in a story when the grandparents are still children themselves.
This is really misleading, and one of the lead scientists on this survey has been pretty vocal that people are misinterpreting this data. These early galaxies are globular in nature, as predicted (it takes much longer for spiral galaxies to form). Also, this survey was only able to capture the brightest objects in existence at that time, and because of phenomena such as gravitational lensing and the expansion of the universe, they actually don't know how large the observed objects actually were at the time of the survey.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:08 am to TrueTiger
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But particular subject doesn't matter, big bang, evolution, climate change, will all eventually get their debunking.
This claim reminds me of this from Isaac Asimov.
The Relativity of Wrong
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:35 am to TrueTiger
"Our" Big Bang theory is incorrect. Most people know this, they just do not have anything better to offer.
It is much easier to believe a "God" story of creation, than the Big Bang, however the disbelief in a God is a religion itself to many.
It is much easier to believe a "God" story of creation, than the Big Bang, however the disbelief in a God is a religion itself to many.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:43 am to TrueTiger
Climate change caused the universe to form.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:58 am to TrueTiger
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But particular subject doesn't matter, big bang, evolution, climate change, will all eventually get their debunking.
So what is the point of this statement? You seem to be using the term debunking as pejorative. Scientific knowledge is in a state of constant revision as it should be.And just because something is revised or even proven false it doesn't mean the process getting to that conclusion is unproductive For example... Even if you dont believe in macro evolution the advent of it has lead to incredible break throughs in biology and medicine.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:01 am to TrueTiger
This is the way Science is supposed to work.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:05 am to TrueTiger
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there is a fixed and precise sequence of events that followed the Big Bang:
*sigh*
It’s always been to our best understanding.
Do idiots not grasp how science even works??
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