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re: Patients taking Eli Lilly's retatrutide lost 58 pounds, on average, in a phase 2 clinical
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:19 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:19 pm to northshorebamaman
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I agree with you in principle, but, at the same time, Americans are fat as frick.
Son is 6 1/2 years old. We go to his schoole occassionally for meet the teachers, open house, etc... Too many grossly obese kids in 1st, 2nd 3rd grade. Usually one of the parents is in that kind of shape also if not both.
Eating habits are learned. Not sure how the kids will unlearn them.
Also, I hunt in Mexico and the obesity problem in Mexico is every bit as bad as it is in the U.S.
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Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:21 pm to CatfishJohn
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You're conflating doctors and big pharma. Historically, there was a time when the incentives were aligned, but legislation has really neutered that. Doctors do say exercise, eat well, and stop drinking. I work with a ton of doctors.
There is a Doctor who posted on the OT once about an obese patient who developed Type 2 diabetes from their lifestyle choices. He gave her a roadmap to healthier living: diet, exercise, etc, but she wanted none of that, and asked for a prescription so she could continue her shitty lifestyle with zero exercise and dietary changes.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:22 pm to lsu777
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lol saying eat well and exercise is not promoting strength training and fitness.
promoting it would be to work with 2 or 3 reputable coaches in town or online and referring your patients to them
or checking with insurance and seeing whats covered and getting them in with professionals that can help the patient.
saying exercise and eat well doesnt do shite. like that is some new thing
Have you ever treated a patient?
Half of them are retarded and the other have don't give a shite what you have to say.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:23 pm to Waterboy1972
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Imagine if there was a shot to take to immediately end drug addiction like meth or fentanyl, etc. Would we come on here telling the addicts to just use willpower and lay off the drugs?
I stopped smoking one day years ago by not lighting one up ever again. Yet I’ve got friends who still to this day can’t put them down.
It’s almost like people just want to bitch about fatties for the sake of bitching about fatties since any other group they bitch about is taboo.
While I know food can light up the parts of the brain of a fatty the way that drugs do to an addict, it's a totally different level of chemical addiction and you must know that.
I am no scientist, but I am in the camp that says these weight loss "miracle" pills are going to cause serious health issues later on and should be limited to people that have severe obesity, similar to gastric bypass/staples. I know housewives that take Ozempic (sp?) to lose 20 lbs of baby weight.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:23 pm to ronricks
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I'm also betting you both are like me in that you enjoy lifting, enjoy the gym, enjoy fitness, and enjoy eating healthy. It's no different than the folks on here who post about fast food three times a week and complain that the drive thru is slow or McDonald's or Popeye's got their order wrong. They like to eat and be a lazy slob. It is what it is. I don't care who uses these weight loss drugs I don't think it is 'cheating' but for the most part the people on them that I have seen look like total shite and I would burn my workout clothes if I looked like them and spent that much time in a gym.
i love lifting, its my favorite part of the day other than spending time with my family.
i prefer to eat well because i like to feel good and move good. when i eat like shite...my movement quality suffers and i feel like shite, especially my stomach and especially if i do it for multiple meals
i like the medicine as kind of a supplement not a crutch
i do find it funny though that so many are making excuses on shite. im all for the medicine but stop with the excuses.
everyone i know that is obese does not exercise, eats whatever they want and can tell me the latest greatest tv show. I find the correlation telling. But im sure Im just "OVER SIMPLIFYING THINGS!!"
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:23 pm to CatfishJohn
Some gym bros will really get triggered when they come out with a pill that builds muscle without exercise
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:25 pm to LSUAlum2001
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There is a Doctor who posted on the OT once about an obese patient who developed Type 2 diabetes from their lifestyle choices. He gave her a roadmap to healthier living: diet, exercise, etc, but she wanted none of that, and asked for a prescription so she could continue her shitty lifestyle with zero exercise and dietary changes.
He should refer her to another doctor. Personally, I couldn't live with myself if I knew there was a very healthy way to cure someone (diet, exercise), but instead gave them a pill with god knows what long term side effects.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:26 pm to MrSpock
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Have you ever treated a patient?
Half of them are retarded and the other have don't give a shite what you have to say.
oh i know, that wasnt my point. saying doctors promote fitness by saying....well they tell them to exercise and diet....those are not actionable terms
actionable would be...here is a program or a referral to this coach. I have consulted with your insurance and this or that is covered
I need you to lose 10 lbs by the next visit or we are goin to have to talk about putting you on medication to essentially force you to make these changes
you shame the frick out of them too by telling them they will be dead by 50 or within 10 years and will miss out on moments with kids, grandkids etc
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:30 pm to ronricks
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I'm also betting you both are like me in that you enjoy lifting, enjoy the gym, enjoy fitness, and enjoy eating healthy. It's no different than the folks on here who post about fast food three times a week and complain that the drive thru is slow or McDonald's or Popeye's got their order wrong. They like to eat and be a lazy slob.
Correct. I’m enthusiastic about it and love reading/researching and talking about lifting and nutrition because it’s fun and rewarding.
Why am I having so much fun with it and find it rewarding? Because I lived on the other side. I was fat, lethargic and a borderline alcoholic. Completely turned my life around and the results are awesome.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:30 pm to CatfishJohn
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He should refer her to another doctor. Personally, I couldn't live with myself if I knew there was a very healthy way to cure someone (diet, exercise), but instead gave them a pill with god knows what long term side effects.
to be fair to doctors...like spock said...most patients are dumb af
to be fair about the medicine too...most of the doctors prescribing it are monitoring weight loss and bodyfat and really really encouraging them to lift weights. these are mostly aesthetic doctors though not GP
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:31 pm to Party At LSU
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Correct. I’m enthusiastic about it and love reading/researching and talking about lifting and nutrition because it’s fun and rewarding.
Why am I having so much fun with it and find it rewarding? Because I lived on the other side. I was fat, lethargic and a borderline alcoholic. Completely turned my life around and the results are awesome.
this was me. was always really really into fitness...then for a 5 year period let my self go....frick being fat. its miserable
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:37 pm to lsu777
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this was me. was always really really into fitness...then for a 5 year period let my self go....frick being fat. its miserable
This being the year I turn 40 really woke my arse up. So, I’ve had my fun and now have a family with three kids. Party time is over.
I said to myself, “self…why don’t you use this as the catalyst to make this a long-term project and go for the leanest, best version of yourself that you’ve always wanted but never stayed committed to?” And here I am doing it.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:44 pm to Party At LSU
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Correct. I’m enthusiastic about it and love reading/researching and talking about lifting and nutrition because it’s fun and rewarding.
Why am I having so much fun with it and find it rewarding? Because I lived on the other side. I was fat, lethargic and a borderline alcoholic. Completely turned my life around and the results are awesome.
To me it is fun and rewarding. I kinda did things backwards - I started juicing in my late teens and did so for about 16 years non stop basically. I quit cold turkey and didn't work out and ate SAD for about 5 years. I experienced everything you describe. I was overweight, lethargic, and a binge drinker on weekends. After 5 years of this I started training again (naturally) in December 2021 and have had an absolute blast doing it. Never had more fun in my life. I only wish I had been natural earlier so I could juice now but I look at it as my punishment. Regardless, I absolutely love natural training and wouldn't have it any other way. Every workout is a challenge. I still have one cheat meal (not a cheat day a cheat meal) on weekends to help with that craving but otherwise it is strict eating and regimented exercise and 8 hours of sleep every night. Have learned a ton from the H&F forum on here.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:13 pm to Sticky37
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Calories in < calories out
That's the key to weight loss. Bottom line
Not necessarily. All calories do not interact with your body the same way. That's old school thought and not in touch with what is now known about certain forms of calories.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:16 pm to BRL79
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Not necessarily. All calories do not interact with your body the same way. That's old school thought and not in touch with what is now known about certain forms of calories.
no they dont. once calories and protein are equated...the amount of body fat a person loses is virtually the same no matter what composition of fat/carbs make up the rest of the diet
its not old school thought...its a fact and we have over 3 dozens studies and over a dozen meta analysis that all prove this.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:31 pm to BRL79
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All calories do not interact with your body the same way.
You get more energy from a gram of fat than you do from a gram of carbs or a gram of protein
The energy from a gram of protein is burned more slowly than a gram of carbs therefore you feel less hungry sooner.
But it’s still calories in/calories out
You’ll just end up needing less calories per fat and protein versus carbs.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:41 pm to Jim Rockford
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Some gym bros will really get triggered when they come out with a pill that builds muscle without exercise
Significant doses of AAS builds muscle in people who don’t workout at all. Proven in studies. I promise you that a bottle of legit Anadrol-50 pills will put size and mass on you while not working out way more than if you worked out and never used them.
AAS were medically designed to put weight on people who are in the hospital and suffering from diseases that cause them to be malnourished and extremely underweight, like AIDS and muscle-wasting diseases
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:49 pm to TigerRagAndrew
quote:If you are THAT busy, you shouldn't have enough time to stuff your face.
For someone working 10-12 hours a day, commuting another 2, there isn't much time or energy to prepare healthy meals, eat right, or exercise. Also it's hard as hell to get 8 hours of sleep during the night due to having to corral kids. None of this adds up to the ability to lose weight on our own.
Manage your time better. It doesn't take hardly anytime to brown up and season 2lbs of 93/7 beef and pack some low-carb, or hell regular flour taco shells. Get 6 containers and split the meat among them, use two taco shells per meal. Add A LITTLE cheese if you must and some taco bell sauce packets. I just made you a sub 600 calorie lunch, around 50g protein, and is plenty of food for an adult human male.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:55 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
Retatrutide with Viagra
And one pill makes you small
Retatrutide with Viagra
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:58 pm to lsu777
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99% of those that are fat are that away through their own poor choices. same with those that live in poverty.
That’s rich. Got a link?
As usual you’re taking an all or nothing scorched earth opinion. Which is all it is-an opinion.
I’m not naive enough to believe there are not plenty of our population that is obese by their very own accord. This is true and we all know it. And that part of your argument is correct and valid.
But to lump, well…99% of “fatties” (and now poverty stricken) people overweight and poor through simple poor choices of their own is a cop out and fricking stupid.
So with all of your medical knowledge and apparently now social science you can say 99% is of their own accord?
No genetics involved. No metabolic or hormonal. No societal. No marketing aggressively by processed food companies. No existing conditions or medical conditions/medications. Just fat people and their fricking supersized Snickers bar.
Food supply chains are being controlled by supermarkets and mass produced cheap processed foods are flooding the country.
Parents are not providing healthy lifestyles maybe because there is no parent or that parent is working 2 jobs or any of a hundred different reasons.
Manufacturing jobs have left this country in the last 40 years that supported many blue collar families. Good jobs that required hard work that have been completely eliminated creating more of a government dependent sedentary society.
Our society has become more isolated, more dependent and less educated. We are dictated to by our government, banks and corporate America none of which are held accountable. None of which have any of our best interests in mind. If you can live that lifestyle of good health that’s an advantage for you. But to think everyone else has the same opportunity is naive and dangerous.
All of these things contribute to obesity.
But yeah for you 99% just throw some plates and eat some fricking broccoli.
And fwiw I lift light 4 days, cardio 6 days, stretch 7 days and eat as clean as I can most days but I’m old so I have the time. It is a conscious choice and one that could easily not fit into many people’s lifestyle for whatever circumstance. It was not always my lifestyle but one I chose and while it can be affordable it can also not be. Again circumstances can dictate.
But hey-eat less and move more.
And also I’m righter than Steve Bannon. Just because someone think’s different than you doesn’t automatically make them “liberal “ which is a tired and much overused as well as understood term.
I didn’t call you a dick.
But I could have.
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