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re: Patients taking Eli Lilly's retatrutide lost 58 pounds, on average, in a phase 2 clinical
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:18 pm to JasonDBlaha
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:18 pm to JasonDBlaha
quote:only like $100 billion annually worldwide
strength training and fitness? Oh wait there’s no money in that.
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Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:21 pm to Oates Mustache
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Wut? Some side effects include both the runs and constipation, but there's nothing to indicate "gut disease". What are you talking about?
There have been some rare cases of intestinal paralysis. How those people didn’t seek care until it make severe is baffling. I also wonder about their fiber and water intake while on the medicine.
I have no idea why so many here are hate this so much. I know quite a few women who packed on pounds when they entered menopause despite keeping up the same diet and exercise. Monjauro was hugely helpful when other methods didn’t work. Same results with thyroid issues, age related weight gain, etc.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:33 pm to Eurocat
If I lost 24% of my body weight I’d weigh as much as I did in 9th grade.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:36 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I have no idea why so many here are hate this so much. I know quite a few women who packed on pounds when they entered menopause despite keeping up the same diet and exercise. Monjauro was hugely helpful when other methods didn’t work. Same results with thyroid issues, age related weight gain, etc.
i dunno either but just to be clear....there is no such thing as age related weight gain. you only lose roughly 10 caloires per decade of life on metabolism on avg after age 30.
im realyl glad those women are having success with the medicine, but to be fair monjauro and other GLP-1 drugs do not increase metabolism, they simply control insulin and hunger so you eat less.
so if they had success with the medicine...they could have done it without it with a strict diet
and if you are gaining weight due to true thyroid issues, then monjauro will not do a damn thing to help that.
i support them using the medicine and want anyone who wants to use to have access, but be fair and dont spread half truths please.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:48 pm to LSUGrrrl
I suspect the people who are mad are mad because they work hard to maintain their body composition and don’t like the idea of people taking a shortcut to achieve similar results. I’d imagine it’s a similar feeling people have who study or work hard to make good grades and watch their friends use ADHD drugs to aid their efforts. Or athletes watching cohorts use performance enhancing drugs. It’s a classic case of a drug being made for a small subset being used by the masses to “cheat” or easily achieve what others use great effort to achieve. I don’t really care either way but I can easily see the argument.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:52 pm to When in Rome
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“cheat
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I don’t really care either way but I can easily see the argument.
never understood that
its used all the time in fitness...such and such is on PEDs so its cheating
cheating whom and what? it isnt a contest.
same with this drug. its not a contest.
i mean people have no problem with people popping an ECA stack fat burner that is OTC but use a shot....over the line
use cialis...thats fine....use this shot.....over the line...thats cheating.
cant answer whom its cheating or how...but its cheating
its just jealousy imo
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:54 pm to lsu777
Yeah it probably does boil down to jealousy. I can see how people who work hard for something feel resentment when other people achieve the same with less work. But in the end, who cares what other people do? No need to focus on anyone but yourself.
And I’d add that I’ve come to learn that hard work and discipline in itself is a reward…and achieving goals through hard work and discipline make results more sustainable in the long term. Popping vyvanse and cramming for an exam won’t make you retain the information as well as painstakingly learning a concept. Taking a miracle weight loss drug will probably result in weight gain upon cessation of that drug use.
And I’d add that I’ve come to learn that hard work and discipline in itself is a reward…and achieving goals through hard work and discipline make results more sustainable in the long term. Popping vyvanse and cramming for an exam won’t make you retain the information as well as painstakingly learning a concept. Taking a miracle weight loss drug will probably result in weight gain upon cessation of that drug use.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:55 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Weight loss is simply calories in vs calories out.
For most people yes, but once you start considering menopausal women, estrogen production, parathyroids dysfunction, etc calories in/out is certainly not "all there is too it".
Now I'm not suggesting every fat chick "has thyroid problems" but for some women their hormone imbalance really are a hindrance to weight loss.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:56 pm to Dragula
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For most people yes, but once you start considering menopausal women, estrogen production, parathyroids dysfunction, etc calories in/out is certainly not "all there is too it".
Now I'm not suggesting every fat chick "has thyroid problems" but for some women their hormone imbalance really are a hindrance to weight loss.
if thats the case then this medicine wouldnt help because all it does is control insulin and force you to eat less.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:56 pm to ronricks
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Because there are a bunch of low T fatties on here that are too lazy for proper exercise and diet and want to use a 'magic pill' or injection to get what they want. Look at all the fast food threads on here people are addicted. Everyone I have seen who has lost weight on Mounjaro or Ozempic looks like absolute shite. They have no muscle they look skinny fat. There is a guy at my gym who has lost 45 pounds on Mounjaro. He looks like crap. Looks like a saggy bag of shite.
So the guy that lost weight you are bitching about how he looks. I’m assuming before he lost the 45 pounds you were calling him low t fatass.
A pill or injection for weight loss is frowned upon yet pills for depression and anxiety and accepted and encouraged.
It’s easy for everyone to say eat right and exercise but in reality it’s not that easy. Food makers should be held accountable for the mass production of processed foods that have no health benefits .
Not everyone has access to fresh fruits and vegetables and lean protein and not everyone has even been taught how to eat.
It’s a lot more complicated than just saying stop.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:59 pm to Martini
quote:I think the pendulum will swing on psych drugs soon
A pill or injection for weight loss is frowned upon yet pills for depression and anxiety and accepted and encouraged.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:00 pm to cwil177
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Imagine thinking doctors aren’t encouraging their patients to exercise
For the most part they aren't. They are whipping out the prescription pad and putting fatties on as many as SEVEN different prescription medications to control blood pressure, cholesterol, heart, liver, and kidney function etc. Imagine taking that many pills a day just so you can continue to be a gluttonous slob. That is sick. Imagine a world where you can change your diet and exercise and instead of being on four to seven prescriptions being on one or none. But that requires actual work so that isn't an option. Welp.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:01 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Imagine having to take a pill to lose weight when all you have to do is simply eat a little less food and move around more.
As somebody that has gained and lost the same 25 lbs multiple times over my adulthood I'm willing to give the fat shots a try... hell I've tried anything else.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:09 pm to When in Rome
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I suspect the people who are mad are mad because they work hard to maintain their body composition and don’t like the idea of people taking a shortcut to achieve similar results.
This is the correct diagnosis.
However, I assure you those on here like lsu777, myself and others who are on a progressive heavy lifting program (PPSA whereyat) and eat protein high AF are not having similar results in body comp as those who take these drugs and barely eat.
I’m not mad at anyone who takes this as a means for weight loss. It’s better than remaining fat. I’m just saying you can definitely tell the difference between me and the person taking these drugs standing next to each other. As Gus Fring said, “we are not the same.”
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:11 pm to Martini
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So the guy that lost weight you are bitching about how he looks. I’m assuming before he lost the 45 pounds you were calling him low t fatass.
You really can't tell he has lost any weight. He is skinny fat and looks like absolute shite. That was my whole point. Why lose weight when all you are really doing is not only losing some fat but also losing muscle. What is the point in that?
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A pill or injection for weight loss is frowned upon yet pills for depression and anxiety and accepted and encouraged.
Thats the whole problem me and others have been harping on. It shouldn't and doesn't have to be that way. Big Pharma and MD's have MADE that normal. Just like they have 'normalized' obesity. Guess what? Its not normal and it is disgusting. Not trying to be a jerk but that is just the truth that some need to hear.
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It’s easy for everyone to say eat right and exercise but in reality it’s not that easy. Food makers should be held accountable for the mass production of processed foods that have no health benefits .
There are several different elimination diets. Pick one and try it. If it doesn't work move onto the next one. Takes time, patience, and perseverance which nobody has these days. Its really easy once you get started.
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Not everyone has access to fresh fruits and vegetables and lean protein and not everyone has even been taught how to eat.
You don't need 'lean' protein. Fatty beef is good for you when you aren't shoveling it down your throat with a ton of carbs with it. You need fats or carbs NOT both. People get triggered by that for some reason. If you are obese you can go many days without eating before you pass out or die as long as you have fluids. These fatties aren't going to die because they have so much fat stored. What do you think fat is used for in the body?
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It’s a lot more complicated than just saying stop.
Actually its not. You can make all the excuses you want but in the end they are just that. Excuses. You have to actually really want to lose wright and be healthier. If you are so pitiful you can't do it because you don't have time etc. just skip breakfast and eat Subway for lunch and dinner and walk 30 mins 5 or 6 days a week. It does work you aren't going to build any muscle or look good but you will absolutely lose weight. It doesn't take much effort to lose weight.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:15 pm to Martini
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Not everyone has access to fresh fruits and vegetables and lean protein and not everyone has even been taught how to eat.
while i get what you are saying in the rest of the post....this shite is stupid. walmart is in pretty much every fricking town. stop saying they dont and you dont have to have fruits and vegetables anyways or lean meat
and everyone is walking around with a super computer so get off the shite about not being taught how to eat
i agree the medicine is awesome but be fricking honest about things and yea its not complicated. the only complicated part is compliance and thats why i like the shot for so many
but please dont come on here spouting that stupid liberal bullshite about everyone doesnt have access to this or that or food deserts etc....he is a thought...dont shop at the gas station for food and suddenly you have access to things
or here is another thought...pay attention in school and become a successful adult where you can not live in poverty all day
im all for the medicine but stop making excuses for people. 99% of those that are fat are that away through their own poor choices. same with those that live in poverty.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:15 pm to JasonDBlaha
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How about the medical community start promoting strength training and fitness? Oh wait there’s no money in that.
You're conflating doctors and big pharma. Historically, there was a time when the incentives were aligned, but legislation has really neutered that. Doctors do say exercise, eat well, and stop drinking. I work with a ton of doctors.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:18 pm to Party At LSU
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This is the correct diagnosis.
However, I assure you those on here like lsu777, myself and others who are on a progressive heavy lifting program (PPSA whereyat) and eat protein high AF are not having similar results in body comp as those who take these drugs and barely eat.
I’m not mad at anyone who takes this as a means for weight loss. It’s better than remaining fat. I’m just saying you can definitely tell the difference between me and the person taking these drugs standing next to each other. As Gus Fring said, “we are not the same.”
Just normal exercise and healthy diet would give you a noticeably better body composition than people only taking pills to lose weight. They lose a ton of muscle mass and look sickly and weak.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:18 pm to Party At LSU
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However, I assure you those on here like lsu777, myself and others who are on a progressive heavy lifting program (PPSA whereyat) and eat protein high AF are not having similar results in body comp as those who take these drugs and barely eat.
I'm also betting you both are like me in that you enjoy lifting, enjoy the gym, enjoy fitness, and enjoy eating healthy. It's no different than the folks on here who post about fast food three times a week and complain that the drive thru is slow or McDonald's or Popeye's got their order wrong. They like to eat and be a lazy slob. It is what it is. I don't care who uses these weight loss drugs I don't think it is 'cheating' but for the most part the people on them that I have seen look like total shite and I would burn my workout clothes if I looked like them and spent that much time in a gym.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:19 pm to CatfishJohn
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Doctors do say exercise, eat well, and stop drinking. I work with a ton of doctors.
lol saying eat well and exercise is not promoting strength training and fitness.
promoting it would be to work with 2 or 3 reputable coaches in town or online and referring your patients to them
or checking with insurance and seeing whats covered and getting them in with professionals that can help the patient.
saying exercise and eat well doesnt do shite. like that is some new thing
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