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re: Delta passengers fall ill while stuck on tarmac for hours in Las Vegas heat wave
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:58 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:58 pm to Byrdybyrd05
There needs to be tighter regulations regarding de-planing after a certain period of time
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:01 pm to Lawyered
quote:I'll venture to hop on the "not my fricking job" train at those suggestions if they're genuine. Why am I packing extra items onto my person when I'm already overloaded traveling with my family because you can't a) maintain your equipment, b) maintain a proper schedule or c) remove people from the plane when you realize there's an insurmountable issue and not strand them in a metal tube for hours
It’s why you always bring water bottle and a usb powered small fan especially in the summer onto the plane
So you don’t end up passing out and can attempt to cool off
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:04 pm to achenator
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aircraft is on an external AC source when at the gate
Generally speaking that’s often true.
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Once it pulls away it has to be moving to take in cool air?
Once it’s off the gate, air pressure is supplied by the packs via one or both engines, and/or the APU. You don’t have to be moving, but the packs do have to be operative. In this case, it sounds like there may have been an issue with one of the packs. In temperatures that high, one pack inoperative is enough to cause it to be very uncomfortable, especially if it’s a full plane.
The Captain flying that trip was hired in 2008. There’s virtually no chance this was an oversight. My best guess is that he was unaware of pending taxi delays and returned to the first available gate as soon as he could.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:06 pm to PikesPeak
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Why am I packing extra items onto my person when I'm already overloaded traveling with my family because you can't a) maintain your equipment, b) maintain a proper schedule or c) remove people from the plane when you realize there's an insurmountable issue and not strand them in a metal tube for hours
You’re right. I couldn’t agree more. My post is more so referring to how the airline companies don’t give. A frick about us as travelers and don’t care to even make us remotely comfortable especially in instances like in the OP
I pack those for my own comfort because lord knows the airline Has shown to be incompetent and uncaring for it’s customers well-being
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:20 pm to John88
Well, at least Delta was able to record that flight as an on time departure.
A couple things happen when the door closes:
1) the jet bridge pulls away and “departure” time is recorded.
2) Flight attendants begin getting paid. Most airlines don’t pay the FAs until the door closes.
Those two things are at least partial drivers behind this type of shite.
A couple things happen when the door closes:
1) the jet bridge pulls away and “departure” time is recorded.
2) Flight attendants begin getting paid. Most airlines don’t pay the FAs until the door closes.
Those two things are at least partial drivers behind this type of shite.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:24 pm to John88
I recounted my similar experience when flying into Peoria, IL last month. There were kids throwing up, moms going nuts. It was awful. But, as it turned out, my trip back home at the end of the week was just as bad.
First, when the plane arrived at the terminal in Peoria, they let it sit idling for like 30 minutes before they pulled it up to unload the passengers. Then, when they did unload them and get us onboard, the engines kept trying to overheat. They had to abort the startup twice. They finally had us get back off the plane while they “let the engines cool down”. That took an hour and a half, which means I would miss my connecting flight in Charlotte. Thankfully I didn’t hit any snags in Charlotte. But when I got to Bham at 11:00 PM, we had to sit on the tarmac for just under one hour before they could get us up to the terminal. It was midnight when I finally got off the plane. And I still had to drive to Fort Benning so I could be at my son’s graduation that morning.
I’m traveling to Peoria again next month. This time my arse is driving.
First, when the plane arrived at the terminal in Peoria, they let it sit idling for like 30 minutes before they pulled it up to unload the passengers. Then, when they did unload them and get us onboard, the engines kept trying to overheat. They had to abort the startup twice. They finally had us get back off the plane while they “let the engines cool down”. That took an hour and a half, which means I would miss my connecting flight in Charlotte. Thankfully I didn’t hit any snags in Charlotte. But when I got to Bham at 11:00 PM, we had to sit on the tarmac for just under one hour before they could get us up to the terminal. It was midnight when I finally got off the plane. And I still had to drive to Fort Benning so I could be at my son’s graduation that morning.
I’m traveling to Peoria again next month. This time my arse is driving.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:24 pm to Lake08
Why would a large airport have an hold up for an hour to taxi and wheels up unless there is a mechanical issue
The pull the plane close to the terminal bring up the roll up stairs and let them leave via the tarmac to the terminal
The pull the plane close to the terminal bring up the roll up stairs and let them leave via the tarmac to the terminal
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:25 pm to Tuscaloosa
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as soon as he could.
Three hours? No way.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:27 pm to achenator
Please provide inflation adjusted data to support any claims that flying now is exorbitantly more expensive than it was in the past.
Many times we shut one or both engines down on an active taxiway to save fuel, generally in response to ATC/weather delays. I have a “planned”amount of fuel as well as a “minimum takeoff “ amount of fuel. I definitely do not want to get out of line to try to find an open gate to take on more gas and delay you even more, possibly leading to duty day issues for pilots or FAs unless I absolutely have to.
The A/C packs on most airliners are not as efficient at idle rpm as they are at high power settings, so if it’s warm in the back or I foresee extended ground time I’ll generally keep the auxiliary power unit (APU) on to provide more/better cooling air on the ground in the summer. In the same vein, I’ll turn it on for landing and run the AC off the APU while taxiing in because it works better and keeps you and me cooler. Corporate doesn’t like that because it burns more $$$$, but as the saying goes “The A/C works pretty nice over at HQ, so…..”. If the engines are shut down the APU is supplying electricity and air unless we are hooked up to the jet bridge or have portable power units plugged in and sometimes even then because many times it just works better.
I don’t know the specifics of the Delta situation, but there are generally 14 separate things going on that affect the flight and the decisions to wait/return to the gate/deplane. The FAA mandated limit is 3 hours domestically and 4 hours international. If we returned to the gate and deplaned every time there’s a delay or a wait for a departure slot you would never get anywhere. Sometimes despite my best intentions/efforts to take care of the pax something throws a monkey wrench in the plan. The fact that probably 2000-ish Delta flight operated that day without this happening doesn’t make you any happier when you’re sitting in back sweating your arse off.
Many times we shut one or both engines down on an active taxiway to save fuel, generally in response to ATC/weather delays. I have a “planned”amount of fuel as well as a “minimum takeoff “ amount of fuel. I definitely do not want to get out of line to try to find an open gate to take on more gas and delay you even more, possibly leading to duty day issues for pilots or FAs unless I absolutely have to.
The A/C packs on most airliners are not as efficient at idle rpm as they are at high power settings, so if it’s warm in the back or I foresee extended ground time I’ll generally keep the auxiliary power unit (APU) on to provide more/better cooling air on the ground in the summer. In the same vein, I’ll turn it on for landing and run the AC off the APU while taxiing in because it works better and keeps you and me cooler. Corporate doesn’t like that because it burns more $$$$, but as the saying goes “The A/C works pretty nice over at HQ, so…..”. If the engines are shut down the APU is supplying electricity and air unless we are hooked up to the jet bridge or have portable power units plugged in and sometimes even then because many times it just works better.
I don’t know the specifics of the Delta situation, but there are generally 14 separate things going on that affect the flight and the decisions to wait/return to the gate/deplane. The FAA mandated limit is 3 hours domestically and 4 hours international. If we returned to the gate and deplaned every time there’s a delay or a wait for a departure slot you would never get anywhere. Sometimes despite my best intentions/efforts to take care of the pax something throws a monkey wrench in the plan. The fact that probably 2000-ish Delta flight operated that day without this happening doesn’t make you any happier when you’re sitting in back sweating your arse off.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:30 pm to Lawyered
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It’s why you always bring water bottle and a usb powered small fan especially in the summer onto the plane
Entergy: turn your fricking fan off. it doesn't actually make it cooler and you're wasting electricity.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:32 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Airline pilots of tOT, do airlines with extended holding times on the taxiways shut down their main engines and use only the APU for fuel/costs savings?
Tuscaloosa already answered but I’ll add that depending on the aircraft/APU, you may get better airflow using the APU than the idling engines. Of course there’s the option of pushing the power up on the engines to get more airflow if that’s what your using for your source, but you have to consider what kind (if any) aircraft are behind you due to the extra thrust you’re putting out, and the increase in fuel usage.
Vegas is the only city I’ve had a hot start in and also the only city where an external bleed cart used (due to APU being inop) was not strong enough to start the engines.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:34 pm to Damone
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Air travel is more expensive than it's ever been yet somehow the standard of treatment for passengers drops increasingly every year.
Cost of air travel is actually about as cheap as it has ever been particularly accounting for inflation
It should cost way more IMO
You shouldn't be able to fly across the country for $200 and expect a great experience
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:38 pm to Indefatigable
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Three hours? No way.
They were off the gate for a total of 1 hour and 24 minutes according to the data I’m looking at. It’s possible that passengers were on the plane for a total of 3 hours, but the plane was back at the gate with the parking break set and cabin door open after 1 hour and 24 minutes.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:48 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Once it’s off the gate, air pressure is supplied by the packs via one or both engines,
What is a "pack"?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:51 pm to PikesPeak
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I'll venture to hop on the "not my fricking job" train at those suggestions if they're genuine. Why am I packing extra items onto my person when I'm already overloaded traveling with my family because you can't a) maintain your equipment, b) maintain a proper schedule or c) remove people from the plane when you realize there's an insurmountable issue and not strand them in a metal tube for hours
In a situation where you likely paid $500-600 (or more) for a ticket. Absolutely absurd
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:52 pm to guedeaux
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What is a "pack"?
Pressurization Air Conditioning Kit.
It’s basically just a heat exchanger & compressor used to regulate temperature with air flow.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:52 pm to Cosmo
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You shouldn't be able to fly across the country for $200 and expect a great experience
Where are these $200 Vegas to Atlanta flights on Delta
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:54 pm to dcrews
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If I'm on a plane and it's 100+ degrees and you refuse to turn on the air conditioning, I'm fighting everyone including the pilot.
just thinking about it makes me short of breath. time to find the exit row.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:55 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Well, at least Delta was able to record that flight as an on time departure.
My immediate thought as well.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:56 pm to Cosmo
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Cost of air travel is actually about as cheap as it has ever been particularly accounting for inflation
It should cost way more IMO
You shouldn't be able to fly across the country for $200 and expect a great experience
This. It's gone from a luxury experience only afforded by the realative wealthy to a cattle call that's affordable to everyone.
Not saying everyone shouldn't be able to fly...but some of these airlines are basically greyhounds in the sky.
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