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Heard an interesting take about "segregation" from someone who lived through it

Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:09 pm
I am just repeating what I heard from someone. My wife has family from the deep south (Central and Northern Alabama), all my family ties are MidWest and post Civil War immigration. If someone disagrees or has experience with living in this era that is contrary, please share.

So what I had heard from someone who lived in segregated Alabama, was that despite what the history books and media will tell you, black people actually had prospered more pre-CRA act era under segregation than after the fact. They owned businesses, had families that were together, and were busy.
And post CRA, many of the black small businesses had shut down, and of course tied in with LBJ, Great Society policies that destroyed their families, it has been downhill from there.


Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:10 pm to
Sowell has written on this point.

No question that the old regime was "better" for Black business owners.

It is certainly also reasonable to ask whether it is "better" for Black customers (a) to have the right to enter any establishment you want to enter or (b) to have MORE, similar establishments owned by people who share your skintones, while being denied access to many, many similar establishments.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

had families that were together


This was the key... dads were in the homes...
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:14 pm to
I've heard the same thing. Can't remember which podcast but whomever it was backed it up with stats. The federal government screws up almost everything it touches.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:31 pm to
You certainly saw a major decline in the black community after CRA but i wouldn't say it is the CRA and the desegregation that was the cause.
It was the welfare that followed.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

You certainly saw a major decline in the black community after CRA but i wouldn't say it is the CRA and the desegregation that was the cause.
It was the welfare that followed.
People DO have a tendency to dump all of the LBJ-era legislation into one category don't they?

Desegregation and the Voting Rights Act didn't destroy Black families.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

It was the welfare that followed.


The good ole welfare Cadillac. The phenomenon was real.

Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18703 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:36 pm to
New African Magazine: How the 1964 Civil Rights Act cost Black America


Interesting article from a black magazine on this topic.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27146 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

You certainly saw a major decline in the black community after CRA but i wouldn't say it is the CRA and the desegregation that was the cause.
It was the welfare that followed.


Agree. The CRA destroyed a lot of things, but the black community was destroyed by welfare.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:51 pm to
I don't think POCs current problems are due to desegregation as much as the LBJ raw deal. It was designed to destroy black families and has very well succeeded.

Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:51 pm to
Yeah, I lived through part of it.

There is a lot of truth to what you guys are saying.

I saw things that weren't right but it wasn't like the current generation thinks it was.

Welfare certainly took it's toll on black people and some white people too.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

Interesting article from a black magazine on this topic
Jessie Jackson with the megafro!

Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
5092 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:58 pm to
I'd change the way you framed this. Getting rid of segregation and the Great Society policies are separate things that happened to occur concurrently. Each could have occurred independently of the other.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:58 pm to
just like with affirmative action, the democrats have successfully made all blacks feel inferior, infantile, unable to care for themslves, unable to secure gainful employment and unable to feed, clothe and house themselves.

imagine an entire race for generations being told they can't do shite for themselves.

frick all democrats and what they've done to the AA community.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
8532 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:59 pm to
Silver rights?

Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
17360 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:00 pm to
I say this often. As a kid I recall black men walking around when we went downtown dressed very well smoking cigars who owned legitimate businesses. I was young but I was thoroughly impressed. Where did that go?

A lot of Black women worked in peoples houses taking care of the house and sometimes the kids who were paid in cash and made good money.

All of that went away when the SJW's won the argument.

I think the Great Society was formed to keep black people "on the plantation". White people saw black people as formidable opponents and put them on the Government teat so they wouldn't push to excel and outperform white people which they are absolutely equipped to do. All the while voting for the very thing that keeps them down.

LBJ was an evil Genius. I hope he is burning in hell.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11531 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:00 pm to
In agreement.

I would note that in many towns and cities, the only 'important' business built by Blacks that remain in Black and family ownership are the funeral homes.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17869 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:01 pm to
Without the LBJ undertaking the black community would have prospered more and families units probably would have stayed together most likely and the struggles between races would have dissolved timely. It being forced into as well as policies to make poor people dependent ruined any gains for the 100 years LBJ wanted for voting democrats in.
Posted by AUauditor
Georgia
Member since Sep 2004
1672 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:10 pm to
My elementary school desegregated my third-grade year (1973). My freshman year, I was talking to a black girl that would end up second/third in my class (of 100) who had two older siblings that were dumber than rocks (and ended up graduating with us).

She told me that her older sister had gotten pregnant, and my naïve-self asked her if she would get married. She said "no, mom won't letter her, because she will not get as much money from the government."

THAT was my introduction to government handouts, while she was intimately aware at 14.


[As a side note, she told me at our 30th reunion that she was actually not third in the class, but second. Our valedictorian was clearly a black guy, and she said that the school was not ready for both the valedictorian and salutatorian to both be black. Although I never thought about it back then, but I have no reason to doubt her. I was prom "king" of my class, and a black cheerleader was "queen." Amazing that we almost always had one of each in our 50/50 high school.]
Posted by AUauditor
Georgia
Member since Sep 2004
1672 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

As a kid I recall black men walking around when we went downtown dressed very well smoking cigars who owned legitimate businesses. I was young but I was thoroughly impressed.


However, my dad recalled that as a kid (he was born in 1935), that grown black men would step off the curb when he would walk by as a 12 year old.

He did not saw it braggingly, but just as fact.
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