re: Heard an interesting take about "segregation" from someone who lived through it

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black people actually had prospered more pre-CRA

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I'm not sure you can put prosperity in such simple terms as more or less prosperous. But black people has less access to capital, housing, food, health care and education prior to CRA. They were required to be dependent on their own, under-capitalized community. Under these conditions, they were inventive and industrious as people will be. Giving blacks access to goods and services previously withheld for whites did have a negative impact on black owned business, but they were doomed eventually anyway, just like the white locally-owned businesses.

While I think Aid to Mothers with Dependent Children seemed like a good idea at the time, it resulted in the government incentivizing single motherhood, and thus breaking up the family unit, while increasing the birth rate, in the lower income levels. Additionally, the administration of the SNAP program is deeply flawed by incentivizing consumption of low quality and unhealthful foods.

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However, my dad recalled that as a kid (he was born in 1935), that grown black men would step off the curb when he would walk by as a 12 year old

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We had a couple older black men on the farm who refused to ride in the cab of a truck with a white man, and also would not speak or even look toward my mom out of fear. It was weird to see that in the early 2000s but those men were taught that as a kid to avoid confrontation with whites and it just stayed engrained in them I guess

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I have friends who basically were raised by their black housekeeper as a child, moreso than their own mother.

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It was cheaper than "pre-school" in New Orleans in the 60s - what little pre-school existed was generally for the rich. Mothers were expected to stay at home and take care of their own children. Single working mothers didn't have many choices. It was also difficult for single mothers (white and black) to find housing as landlords could still discriminate against kids.

They definitely liked having to enter using separate doors and drink at a different water fountain and had certain places they had to sit on the bus etc. Honestly they had it made when you think about it, and then got all uppity demanding that be stopped. You seriously can't please some people

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I think Blacks had unrealistic expectations of the benefits they would receive from school desegregation.

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We never really desegregated. In New Orleans in 1965 the white enrollment in public schools was at about 50% of all students. Today it's somewhere around 5%. A lot of middle class whites left the school districts that would be majority black, and took their tax revenues with them, others would put their kids in private school. Orleans Parish public schools have been underfunded since the 80s.

Basically public schools have become what the segregated black schools were instead of what the white schools were. We don't believe in public school education anymore. Hell, a lot of people think public education is a communist plot.

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We never really desegregated. In New Orleans in 1965 the white enrollment in public schools was at about 50% of all students. Today it's somewhere around 5%. A lot of middle class whites left the school districts that would be majority black, and took their tax revenues with them, others would put their kids in private school. Orleans Parish public schools have been underfunded since the 80s.

Basically public schools have become what the segregated black schools were instead of what the white schools were. We don't believe in public school education anymore. Hell, a lot of people think public education is a communist plot.

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You're right, there has been, and will continue to be, an exodus of Whites from the public school systems in many places. And of affluent Blacks from the public school systems, too. The funding is probably better for public schools in most places now that it was in my generation, that's not the major factor driving things in my opinion. The atmosphere in many public schools is not conducive to learning. The priorities have become misplaced. The lack of discipline disrupts the classrooms, and makes them unsafe. Schools can't adequately discipline students anymore for fear of legal repercussions. There are a relatively small number of children that don't want to learn, and they hinder the progress of other students in their class. A lot of people think that public schools are indoctrinating children with a "Woke" mindset, I agree with you there. To some degree they're right, it's not going on in every class of every public school, of course, but it is happening. Not surprising, since the Colleges that the public school teachers were educated in have leaned left for years.

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I’ve often wondered where the root of segregation lies. The best I can guess is that it sprang up out of the post civil war reconstruction era. You obviously had a lot of animosity from the former soldiers but I think a good deal of it probably came from the kids who were left fatherless. Those fatherless kids, the majority of them dirt poor grew up competing with former slaves for the same economic scraps.

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Kind of. I think it had more to do with the fact that the Deep South had so many black people in it when slavery was ended that the white citizens could no longer govern themselves. When reconstruction ended, it was voting rights that were assaulted first. After that they passed a lot of laws to ensure the racial hierarchy reminded in tact, but I think it had less to do with personal grievance and more to do with political power

That’s why Malcom X wanted to keep segregation. He was smart enough to know t hat the US becoming a desegregated society would destroy the nuclear black family. And sure enough, it did.

It seems as though whenever the government tries to force things, it makes things worse.

Governments role isn’t to force things. It’s role is the enforce laws designed to protect the citizens.

There was a town north of Mobile called africatown. It was formed by a group of slaves that were illegally brought to the US. During the early 20th century it was a nice place to live. Go there now and it’s a broken down slum. Drugs, boarded up homes, people standing around….

Forcing integration is not the answer. Providing people the protection they deserve to make their own decisions is the answer

I hate to break it to your genius self but the vast majority of veterans returning from WW2 were white which stands to reason that most VA loans went to white veterans. Of course most businesses were non “industrial”, they are today as well and were then including white owned businesses. You really stumbled onto some hard hitting facts there.