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Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:30 pm to bdavids09
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Has anyone lived in a country with universal healthcare?
Yes. I lived in Ukraine for 6 years and Russia 4.5 years in Russia.
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Is there any downsides to it.
Not if you do not mind bribing your doctor.
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What is your experience with universal healthcare?
Healthcare in Russia and Ukraine is a basic human right and guaranteed, but you also get what you pay for. If you bribe the doctors and the nurses and the scheduling clerk and the security guard and the pharmacist and basically everyone else that works at a public hospital and you want to actually do their for you in a timely fashion, or if you can afford a private clinic or hospital or pharmacy that has medications manufactured outside of Russia. If you can afford those things then the care is on par with America's. If you can't afford them then your care will be not so good but at least it is "free."
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:40 pm to bdavids09
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I know it’s terrible that some Americans can be bankrupt because they got sick.
Is it terrible? Personal bankruptcy is a consumer protection. It's the armed state stepping in to say, "no, you cannot sell this person's home and automobile simply because they owe you money." I think I would rather rely on that very simple, long-standing, and effective safety net than some mandatory state-run insurance plan.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:45 pm to bdavids09
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universal healthcare
The name itself is propaganda.
Call it what it is: centralized healthcare.
And it sucks.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:49 pm to bdavids09
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Also if you look at the rankings the US is nowhere close to the top like I would have thought.
If we are talking about health care providers you also have to factor in we are one of the least healthiest countries in the world. I saw someone bitching about our death rate during covid (yeh I know the stats were already stupid) to an asian country that had a 4% obesity rate...ours was near 40% (IIRC)
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:53 pm to bdavids09
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What is your experience with universal healthcare? Is there any downsides to it.
So there’s no such thing as a second opinion with state healthcare. The government dictates what the correct treatment is for any number of issues, and that’s it.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:58 pm to bdavids09
France. Twice.
The first time, I was shocked at wait times to actually get an appointment. Weeks. It was worse than the VA. But I also had private insurance from my employer, which in those days was great.
That being said, the French have really compassionate doctors and staff. Also the cool thing is that their pharmacists are allowed to practice a limited amount of medicine, and will proscribe
In the interim, I noticed wait times for appointments back in the US increase further and further
The second time, wait times were the same, but much better than the US
American healthcare is declining rapidly
The first time, I was shocked at wait times to actually get an appointment. Weeks. It was worse than the VA. But I also had private insurance from my employer, which in those days was great.
That being said, the French have really compassionate doctors and staff. Also the cool thing is that their pharmacists are allowed to practice a limited amount of medicine, and will proscribe
In the interim, I noticed wait times for appointments back in the US increase further and further
The second time, wait times were the same, but much better than the US
American healthcare is declining rapidly
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:05 pm to DakIsNoLB
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Service industry, residential construction, agricultural laborers.
You can’t do this for your entire life, and most of these jobs are for young people that don’t go to college, or Mexicans.
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No, they don't necessarily need awesome insurance, but unsponsored health insurance, awesome or not, is expensive.
No it isn’t. I’ve had it before when I was in college.
What are you calling expensive? If you work as a cashier at a gas station, then yeah any health insurance is expensive.
The only reason I had it was in case something major happen.
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Ask your HR what your COBRA premium would be to get some idea what it would cost to cover yourself outside of your employers umbrella.
I don’t need to. No one would do that if the employer wasn’t helping.
You sound like your complaining about insurance options as a 25 year old day laborer.
If your still a single day laborer in your 30’s then that’s a choice you decided to make.
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deally, yes, people start small and move up. This still does not alleviate the issue of having enough employer-sponsored health insurance to cover every single working individual in this country. And people still get sick and need health care while they are pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
Again, I’m not going to feel sorry for these people and change the way the world works to accommodate these people.
Young laborers don’t get sick and need to go to the doctor, and if they did, paying out of pocket isn’t as much as you think. You could go to urgent care right now and get an antibiotic for your sniffles like a pussy and it would be like $80.
Your either making enough money to get your own emergency only health insurance or your poor enough to get it all for free.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:07 pm to WhiteMandingo
3 vagenes voted you down for relating a true tale of universal healthcare.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:08 pm to USMCguy121
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some norwegian countries
how many norwegian countries are there?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:10 pm to SulphursFinest
Boob jobs, yes. Heart transplants, not so much.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:11 pm to Montezuma
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Great, now do cancer
Uhh. Ok. You asked for it.
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In response to long delays in treatment, the B.C. government says some cancer patients will be sent to facilities in the United States. Health Minister Adrian Dix announced Monday that up to 50 cancer patients weekly can be sent to Bellingham, Washington for radiation therapy. Starting May 29, eligible patients will have the option to travel to either PeaceHealth St. Joseph Cancer Centre or the North Cascade Cancer Centre for the treatment.
LINK
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:13 pm to TigerCoon
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how many norwegian countries are there?
One. Norway. I'm assuming he means Nordic.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:17 pm to bdavids09
My son lives in Australia and I’m not sure if it’s universal- but it takes forever to see a physician and their taxes and cost of living are sky high
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:20 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The government will control completely what you're allowed to have treated.
And before and after who. If you thought affirmative action in college admissions and workforce hiring was bad. Wait till you have to get out of line to get a heart stint because this person’ 5 times great grandfather was a slave. Or you can’t get that biopsy when we said, this LGBTQ person is oppressed and goes ahead.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:25 pm to DakIsNoLB
I know. Just pulling his chain.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:25 pm to Cosmo
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They go to Mexico because cosmetic procedures are cheaper there
drugs
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:26 pm to bdavids09
Very good friends moved with his job to the UK. They have been there 30+ years. Last time we talked, last summer, I asked if they were considering moving back to the US to his parents home in Maine.
He answered "no" because the long term care was so much better in Wales.
Followup: I found his wife had been diagnosed (early 60's) with dementia and had to go into long term care and she died there in care unexpectedly this spring.
He really believed the care there to have been better. And there's no way to play "what if".
He answered "no" because the long term care was so much better in Wales.
Followup: I found his wife had been diagnosed (early 60's) with dementia and had to go into long term care and she died there in care unexpectedly this spring.
He really believed the care there to have been better. And there's no way to play "what if".
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:37 pm to bdavids09
You should use Medicare as the example. Can medicare be altered into universal healthcare? There is likely a cost issue with this as payroll taxes and personal contributions pay for Medicare. Now having received care through Medicare for a couple of years now, it is less painful than what I paid for company sponsored health care. Lower deductibles. I'm sure we could make it work if we took politics out of it. I don't know how to handle the illegals who wouldn't pay into the system.
Europeans seem to be proud of their heath care systems. But many of those Scandinavian European countries only have 5 or 6 million citizens.
Europeans seem to be proud of their heath care systems. But many of those Scandinavian European countries only have 5 or 6 million citizens.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:37 pm to bdavids09
Live in Germany. From my experience general care is adequate ,but specialized medicine overall is not that good. If you live long enough to see the specialist you are still at about 50/50 if the doctor is any good. It is also a class system here. The income my wife and I have we are able to get a private insurance. If you have this you get treated better, you tend to get appointments faster, and unlike the public insurance they don't do the bare minimum and kick you out door. Also you need a prescription for just about any medication. I had a bottle of ibuprofen I got on my post and my wifes coworkers looked at me like how the hell did you get that? You need a prescription here for just about anything. Everytime I go home my wife always wants me to bring back a shite ton of meds and I tell her if I bring all that back they will think I am making meth. So personally I am not a fan ,but it could be worse.
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