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Has anyone lived in a country with universal healthcare?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:22 am
I mean wealthy nations like Canada or some a European countries. I always read on the news that the US is only major developed country that does not have universal healthcare? I know it’s terrible that some Americans can be bankrupt because they got sick but I don’t know what the alternative is. Also if you look at the rankings the US is nowhere close to the top like I would have thought.
What is your experience with universal healthcare? Is there any downsides to it. Like long waiting times to see a doctor? Is the care still good?
What is your experience with universal healthcare? Is there any downsides to it. Like long waiting times to see a doctor? Is the care still good?
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:22 am to bdavids09
This ought to be fun.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:23 am to bdavids09
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Is there any downsides to it
if there were no downsides, don't you think every country on earth would be doing it?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:25 am to bdavids09
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I mean wealthy nations like Canada or some a European countries
You talking about all the countries that we pay their defense for?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:25 am to bdavids09
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I know it’s terrible that some Americans can be bankrupt because they got sick but I don’t know what the alternative is.
Obamacare aka precursor to universal healthcare, increased healthcare costs across the board for everyoen.
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Also if you look at the rankings the US is nowhere close to the top like I would have thought.
You will find a correlation that with more government control into healthcare, the lower our rankings have gone. You will find that with literally every industry.
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Is there any downsides to it.
Long waits.
Increased cost.
Government mandates what you are covered for regardless of your situation.
Don't get to keep your doctor.
Rationing
Eventual mandates from government of what you must eat, drink, exercise in order to "live healthy".
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Is the care still good?
No.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:26 am to bdavids09
It's great in theory and then the government gets to decide what you can and can't have and then you are fricked
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:27 am to bdavids09
I have not, however I do know what what gross to net take home pay percentages look like for my Canadian reports and colleagues and you would be shocked at these numbers.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:27 am to bdavids09
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Is there any downsides to it.
You are essentially asking, "are there any downsides to government control of an industry?"
You tell us.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:27 am to bdavids09
Maybe not a wealthy nation, but I live in Taiwan.
I got in an accident last year. Went to the hospital, got patched up, x-rayed, given a splint and some pain medicine and sent on my way and was only out of pocket $10 bucks for the medicine.
Last december, I broke my foot, went to the hospital, got an xray within 20 minutes of arriving at the hospital and saw a doctor within an hour. Not great, but not too bad. I was out of pocket $5.
I got in an accident last year. Went to the hospital, got patched up, x-rayed, given a splint and some pain medicine and sent on my way and was only out of pocket $10 bucks for the medicine.
Last december, I broke my foot, went to the hospital, got an xray within 20 minutes of arriving at the hospital and saw a doctor within an hour. Not great, but not too bad. I was out of pocket $5.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:28 am to bdavids09
You can find stories of people in Canada and the UK who got turned down for cancer treatment because the healthcare has to be rationed since it's tax-payer funded. If they don't think the lesion is cancer, they won't let you do further screening. At least in the U.S. they give you the option of doing further screening to rule out cancer despite the fact that you have to pay out of pocket.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:28 am to bdavids09
Everything the government gets involved in goes to shite
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:29 am to bdavids09
Yes lived in England
If it's a simple fix, flu etc. It's like going to urgent care.
If you have issue like a flat mate did then it was a shite show.
He had a bad break in his ankle and they put a boot on it and told him to make an appointment and they would look at it with an orthopedic Dr. It took 3 weeks to be seen this was in the early 2004. He went home to Germany and had it fixed. I could only imagine cancer or major illness.
I'll take expensive American medicine any day
If it's a simple fix, flu etc. It's like going to urgent care.
If you have issue like a flat mate did then it was a shite show.
He had a bad break in his ankle and they put a boot on it and told him to make an appointment and they would look at it with an orthopedic Dr. It took 3 weeks to be seen this was in the early 2004. He went home to Germany and had it fixed. I could only imagine cancer or major illness.
I'll take expensive American medicine any day
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:29 am to bdavids09
If you have a heart attack in the UK, you might get to see a cardiologist 6 months later.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:30 am to bdavids09
UK
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Waiting lists for hospital treatment had skyrocketed to a record 7.2 million as of January 2023, according to the latest government data published in March.
Meanwhile, doctors and nurses are striking over pay and conditions. The BMA says junior doctors in their first year of work are paid £29,384 ($36,241) and in England have suffered a 26% cut to their pay since 2008 once inflation is taken into account.
The NHS also faces a workforce crisis. According to the latest government data, as of last December, 124,000 NHS posts are currently vacant. The BMA argues that worsening pay and conditions are a factor.
Against this backdrop, many Britons are faced with an unenviable choice: wait potentially years for NHS treatment, pay out-of-pocket or rely on charitable donations to raise money for private operations.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:31 am to bdavids09
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I mean wealthy nations like Canada or some a European countries.
The nations that the US has to sign on to defend if they are attacked?
Yea. I wonder where they get the extra cash?
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Is there any downsides to it.
Name something. One thing. One teeny teeny thing the US government does on time, on or under budget, and completes in full its stated goal.
One thing.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:31 am to Rebel
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If you have a heart attack in the UK, you might get to see a cardiologist 6 months later.
It is a pure myth that American healthcare and health insurance was substandard compared to the rest of the world. A myth started by Democrats who's sole aim was to takeover a private industry.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:31 am to bdavids09
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What is your experience with universal healthcare? Is there any downsides to it. Like long waiting times to see a doctor? Is the care still good?
None for me and glad for it. My grandfather died on a waiting list for treatment of a lung disease in Britain. I had two major heart surgeries, $990,000 billed to my insurance, but I am alive and well with state-of-the-art care that is routine in the US. Rich Brits come here, pay out of pocket, because we have superior, non-rationed treatment available.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:32 am to Codythetiger
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You talking about all the countries that we pay their defense for?
Great point, easy to have “universal” everything when your buddy Uncle Sam foots the bill for defending you from Putin.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:33 am to WG_Dawg
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if there were no downsides, don't you think every country on earth would be doing it?
As the Canadian's who are really in need of medical care say, "My dogs and cats get better care."
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