re: What was the country’s reaction to the 1993 Waco siege when that was going on?

The initial raid killed 4 agents.

After that, the government was going to get revenge.

The real mistake was the initial raid. The thinking was if they grabbed him in town, then the followers would go nuts with all their weapons.

So the idea was a surprise raid to grab him and neutralize the cache at same time.

But the idiots in tbe FBI wanted the raid televised and live reported, which caused the cover to be blown, and the followers were waiting on the fbi, locked and loaded, when they got there.

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But the idiots in tbe FBI wanted the raid televised and live reported, which caused the cover to be blown, and the followers were waiting on the fbi, locked and loaded, when they got there.

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ATF

Cover was already blown, they knew the undercover agent was ATF. They just found out when they were coming when the news channel asked a mailman where the compound was and the mailman was a Davidian.

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There isn’t much study done on children and how it affects them thankfully

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Do 17 year olds count as kids? Because hundreds of thousands of us have had to stand in that shite. I think cops go through something similar. A whole lot of DAs in blue cities are pretty sure they're children.

I won't say the word smaxxcine, but we can get into conversations about the level of harm conducted against innocent people anytime.

Here's the problem with why you guys get treated as conspiracy theorists. The armored vehicle, the CS, none of that shite really matters if it was not predicated on legitimate legal interests/authority. The tools and tech will always change, but the bullshite excuses used to get a warrant, or execute a Terry stop on you when walking down the street, are actually the important questions. People won't paint you as Portland weirdos if you just focus on the basic question that should really be answered, rather than what type of grenade was thrown where.

Branch Davidians played stupid games.

Branch Davidians won stupid prizes.

My only exposure to news back then would have been morning/evening news and the paper. I think most people bought the company line that it was a dangerous cult or some shiat, but I certainly have a different viewpoint now.

Watched it every evening after work and Janet Reno was in over her head and allowed the situation to get out of control.
Koresh should have been arrested away from the compound.
Koresh was a nut but we have Freedom of Religion and 2A for a reason and he should have had his day in court.

Battle Of Tippecanoe 11-7-1811 William Henry
Harrison(9th US Pres.)
Sand Creek Massacre 11-29-1864 Col.Chivington
Washita Massacre 11-27-1868 Lt. Col. G.A.Custer
Wounded Knee Massacre 12-29-1890
Bonus Army 7-28-1932 Gen. Douglas MacArthur
Kent State 5-4-1970

Our government has been involved in massacres for some time.
McVeigh lost his mind , perhaps he targeted the wrong town, maybe the _ _ ________ instead ?

Yep. I was getting close to grabbing my rifle and heading to WACO at the end. I knew how it would end because they'd done the 'insert gas, woops the house is on fire' trick before. Waiting till the wind was that strong was the final blow. After Ruby Ridge, if you were paying attention, you were freaking out at the Feds. I was watching live when the place went up in flames and I cried for those people because I knew what I was watching. The systemic murder of a lot of people who had done nothing to deserve to die like that.

ATF didn't have a case. They just had an opportunity to show Ninja Stuff to congress to justify their budget. Should have been feds going to prison after this. Instead they were given medals for murdering those children.

I was in my mid 20’s, I guess I believed what the news said, FBI was going in to save children, shootout ensued, they believed they people inside might be killing off each other as a mass suicide so the moved in and as a result the Davidians set the place on fire


That was the whole narrative at the time as best as I can recall

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I will always hold Janet Reno responsible for that massacre.

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FBI holds this one, they didn’t follow the recommendations of their negotiators and constantly lied to Reno. Reno just followed their recommendations, which were lies.