re: DeSantis Slammed for Using National Crisis to Criticize Trump: Poor Timing Criticized

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Barbs and insults are fine, but I don't deal with patently dishonest people. I genuinely don't mind aggressive/emotional banter from you even when insulting. But being intentionally and knowingly dishonest is an indicator of poor character and I'm not interested in it.

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ok?

What I posted is 100% an honest assessment of who I think you are.

Your posts in this thread certainly further that belief.

But, it's not important. I was only responding to your absurd claim that you are more conservative than I am.

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Interesting.

Trump condemned DeSantis for taking a conservative stance on entitlements. The Trump sycophants also attacked DeSantis for his conservative stance. What say you?

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I've acknowledged in this thread that Trump isn't as conservative as I wish he was and that Desantis was more conservative than Trump is.

People are desperate for fight, for leadership, for something that explains the stupid world around them.

With Trump you get fight. You get some brand of leadership. You get endless theories of why things are they way they are that are easy to digest.

Trump didn't lose because the people across the street have been brainwashed to support progressivism, some computer server in Germany altered their results.

You get purpose, you get a brand (hats, etc.) you get slogans, you get community (rallies). People are lost and desperate for something of value and they think they find it in Trump. I genuinely get the attraction, but it's fools gold and the payoff hasn't really been there in a long time. But even if Trump does show more signs of success soon, he's a very, very flawed person and I wish good people would stop putting their hopes into someone who only reciprocates when doing so brings glory to himself.

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having the “gall” to do so??

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I misspelled a word. So what.

You are known on this board as the guy who takes three paragraphs to explain what should take three sentences.

I'm a "split up the country" guy who thinks no election is going to change the country's trajectory, that the GOP is too dedicated to corporate interests and that localism with a Christian nationalist flavor is my desired form of governance

Obviously right on brand with the GOP, right? Listen, you and I have gone at it plenty over the years and you know this stuff. That you're willing to say things you know aren't true to try and win an argument isn't good for you, and my uncharitable responses aren't good for me.

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I genuinely get the attraction, but it's fools gold and the payoff hasn't really been there in a long time. But even if Trump does show more signs of success soon, he's a very, very flawed person and I wish good people would stop putting their hopes into someone who only reciprocates when doing so brings glory to himself.

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Trump has always been more of an influencer and his successes and record are getting further and further in the rearview mirror. He is great at broad brush ideas and communicating that effectively to his mass of supporters. However, the combativeness and personal attributes that served him well on the campaign trail didn't serve him well in the actual business of governance.

I just find Trump to be a pale imitation of the 2015 version and the message is just lacking and it's all about his greviances at this point. I just don't see him as the solution going forward and I think his supporters are nostalgic for something that is no longer there.

I think Trump/DeSantis/etc. are in a tight spot on personnel.

DC corrupts. Or it attracts "compromised" people. No doubt.

Trump thought that he could get people to be personally loyal to him and that would override everything. He valued loyalty more than subject matter expertise and understandably so given his positioning. He's used to throwing money and the brand at people and having them do his bidding unquestioningly. I don't think he understood or appreciated how different the political class is in that regard.

So the result was that anyone who would pledge loyalty to him was considered, and experts were not. But he got the worst of both - people who feigned loyalty and used the gigs to grift, and people who didn't have any idea how to complete the tasks set before them. His biggest wins relied heavily on old hand political guys he's often warred with - like McConnell. All the "wins" from Trump insiders were fleeting or incomplete.

DeSantis is going to run on this weakness, which is a good political move. But he'll have similar issues. The entire GOP political class is corrupted, and DeSantis will have to regularly examine and purge staffers. He'll need the expert class to get anything done, but he'll have to limit them and keep them in line.

But one thing I think DeSantis might have going for him - subtlety/boredom/lack of drama. If DeSantis can win and govern in a dull but effective manner, it makes it far more likely he can limit the staff defections/betrayal. Trump is big and bold and dramatic so the defections and traitors were sexy to CNN, book deals, etc. It takes one conflicting tweet to set off Trump. Then you're some nobody feuding with Trump, which becomes a story to all the news outlets who can't get enough Trump drama. Getting fired by DeSantis because you broke ranks on some mundane policy issue will not have the same appeal.

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I misspelled a word. So what.

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Lol damn, did you? If you did then I did, because that wasn’t my point at all. Didn’t even realize it was misspelled.

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You are known on this board as the guy who takes three paragraphs to explain what should take three sentences.

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Well hell. Yeah, I kinda thought so myself, but I just can’t help it. I’m a dreaded long-texter as well. So how did this universal agreement about my posting style come about? Y’all been talking about me behind my back!?

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This crap about fake political indictments is tearing this country apart & you need to catch up to that more than petty tribalism BS.

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Did not DeSantis spend time criticizing Bragg. He did. He said Bragg was weaponizing the office. So I don't get your point other than it's really weak. Seems like you guys are whining because DeSantis went after Trump in the Piers Morgan interview.

11th commandment.

BDR should listen more to OGR.