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What is China's healthcare system like?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:56 am
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:56 am
I'm going to assume with them being a communist country they've figured out how to give everyone good quality healthcare?
Can someone enlighten me for what the average citizen there goes through on a healthcare level?
Can someone enlighten me for what the average citizen there goes through on a healthcare level?
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:21 am to RuckMaul1
Everyone pays into the public healthcare fund through taxes for basic services. Deductibles and co payments apply. To fill in the gaps there are also private insurance options. Most of the country relies on urban large hospitals even for basic needs. Some outlier rural areas have limited or no coverage. The costs of this system have risen every year, but still not as much as we pay if you look at % GDP. Something like 12%-19%. System as a whole is ranked #60 worldwide.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:23 am to lsunatchamp
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The costs of this system have risen every year, but still not as much as we pay if you look at % GDP. Something like 12%-19%. System as a whole is ranked #60 worldwide.
We pay doctors and nurses more than everywhere else. You think any if these people would be willing to take a pay cut to lower costs?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:26 am to lsunatchamp
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Everyone pays into the public healthcare fund through taxes for basic services. Deductibles and co payments apply. To fill in the gaps there are also private insurance options. Most of the country relies on urban large hospitals even for basic needs. Some outlier rural areas have limited or no coverage. The costs of this system have risen every year, but still not as much as we pay if you look at % GDP. Something like 12%-19%. System as a whole is ranked #60 worldwide.
Should I believe China is reporting accurate numbers?
Do you think that China ever just kills people that it can't save or doesn't report certain deaths?
Does China do a good job of pretending as if they actually love their people?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:27 am to dgnx6
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We pay doctors and nurses more than everywhere else
We are somewhere in the top 5, but not at the very top. A lot of our healthcare costs come from the medical research. Most of the medical innovation and research happen in the United States.
I used %GDP as the metric btw, not total cost
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:31 am to RuckMaul1
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Should I believe China is reporting accurate numbers?
No
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Do you think that China ever just kills people that it can't save or doesn't report certain deaths?
Define can't save? People with a terminal disease often choose to stop receiving treatment. China does far worse things to their healthy citizens if you step out of line
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:37 am to RuckMaul1
Mattias Daly, a long time medical student in China, discusses life in the Chinese medical system.
This ia a 40 minute interview with a New Zealander who studied medicine in China. The whole conversation is interesting. E.g., He spends time discussing Chinese didactics, where no questions are allowed in the classroom.
Link is midway through the interview when he describes the filthy conditions of the hospital environment.
Old arterial blood splatter on the walls.
This ia a 40 minute interview with a New Zealander who studied medicine in China. The whole conversation is interesting. E.g., He spends time discussing Chinese didactics, where no questions are allowed in the classroom.
Link is midway through the interview when he describes the filthy conditions of the hospital environment.
Old arterial blood splatter on the walls.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:37 am to RuckMaul1
Free acupuncture
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:47 am to RuckMaul1
If you have covid they weld or nail the door shut and starve a whole building like that. That’s China healthcare system in a nutshell. That’s how they handle Covid instead of forcing people to take a brand new vaccine to keep their jobs.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:49 am to lsunatchamp
quote:This x1000
A lot of our healthcare costs come from the medical research. Most of the medical innovation and research happen in the United States.
I did a little research on this some years ago and it is absolutely amazing how much medical advancement comes from either the US or research funded by our system. (If you’re diagnosed with cancer under the age of 18, anywhere in the world, you’ve got a survival rate about fifty times higher than any generation in history because of our research here in the US.)
If we weren’t just about the fattest/unhealthiest bastards on the planet then our life expectancy would be a decade longer than anyone else.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:58 am to auggie
quote:There was a TV special probably made in the 1970's just after China had reopened to the west. In one segment, the news team was covering the "wonders" of Chinese medicine.
Free acupuncture
They showed a man having a small hernia repaired under acupuncture w/o other anesthesia. At the end, the journalist was agog in admiration of Chinese medicine. He interviewed the patient, saying
"That was just amazing!"
The patient smiled and nodded appreciatively.
"They performed that whole surgery with no anesthesia, only acupuncture?"
The patient smiled and nodded affirmatively.
"That is just amazing! ...and it didn't hurt at all."
The patient responded, "Oh no. Hurt very much!"
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:02 am to SlapahoeTribe
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If we weren’t just about the fattest/unhealthiest bastards on the planet then our life expectancy would be a decade longer than anyone else.
This X1000
Imagine if everyone took care of themselves and our “system” wasn’t overwhelmed 24/7 with preventable problems. We’d have even more time and money to solve major issues instead of just churning out bypass surgeries, diabetes drugs, etc. wondering why insurance costs keep going up and hospitals focus on that instead of prevention. If we marketed prevention more instead of only focusing on reactionary medicine we could start the climb to being a healthy nation again. Prevention is only profitable for the individual, not the hospital system, so there is no law or government mandate that will fix the problem. It has to be done in each home.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:06 am to SlapahoeTribe
Yeah I it definitely doesn't help that we have a country full of fat lazy fricks that drive our cost and wait time up
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:32 am to dgnx6
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You think any if these people would be willing to take a pay cut to lower costs?
You could cut physician salaries in half, and it wouldn’t put a dent in healthcare costs.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:35 am to olemissfan26
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If we marketed prevention more instead of only focusing on reactionary medicine we could start the climb to being a healthy nation again.
It’s 2023. The average person knows sugar is bad. They know smoking is bad. They know alcohol is bad. They know being sedentary is bad. They know processed foods are bad. Etc etc etc. There are gyms on every corner. Healthy food options have never been more available.
Nobody cares.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 6:36 am
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:42 am to RuckMaul1
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I'm going to assume with them being a communist country they've figured out how to give everyone good quality healthcare?
What? Why would you assume that?
Maybe a better question is who influenced your thinking to assume that?
Why would anyone ever think that communism = quality? There is no incentive for quality. When a consumer has no freedom to shop around and make their own decisions, you get shite.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:50 am to RuckMaul1
It’s not great. My brother lived in Chengdu until Covid. They went to Thailand for medical care.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:02 am to RuckMaul1
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What is China's healthcare system like?
"Sorry you die today.....and you......you OK...you die and you die and you die, etc."
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:36 am to Wtodd
Dr. Sum Ting Wong
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:17 am to lsunatchamp
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A lot of our healthcare costs come from the medical research. Most of the medical innovation and research happen in the United States.
This is an interesting point and it should be explored more. It's not like we don't allow other countries to buy our medicines.
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