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re: Dale Brown Court Controversy

Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:32 pm to
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:32 pm to
Why are we so eager to put people on pedestals? Are we that insecure as a species?
Posted by Lickitty Split
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:17 pm to
Dale Brown is an insecure bitch. He’s only worthy of having his name associated with destroying the LSU basketball program for decades. He and Collis Temple are selfish egomaniacs that are misogynistic.

Dale Brown brought us years of probation and sanctions and they rewarded him with his name on the court. Might as well make the governor’s mansion the Long-Edwards Governor’s mansion if we are going to award criminals and corruption. Let’s put a Ray Nagin statute where Lee once was.

Dale Brown needs to be banned from stepping foot in the PMAC.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14544 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:45 am to
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Assuming all that’s true and they ambushed Brown that’s pretty shitty but guys like Brando and Vitale don’t help matters



I don't think the folks eliciting the help of Brando and Vitale fully realize this, but it absolutely is true.

Vitale is a full out villain here with little or no chance at redemption and Brando has done very little in the last 20 years to help his image with LSU fans, I would rate his likability and respectability about as low as it's ever been.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66198 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:22 am to
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Brando is going to have a stroke about this. His reaction is so strange to me.


Brando has been strange for quite a few years now. He blocks people on social media who disagree with him. I don't mean people who say vulgar things to him. People who may just disagree with him. That's really weak of him. I know this, because he's the only person to ever block me on any type of platform. This was like 4 years ago. I'm not even bitter about it. Was just surprised, because I didn't realize how soft he was back then.

I remember another poster in a similar thread to this said the same thing happened to him a couple of years ago.



I realize we all have had some bad predictions, but he sure has a ton. He said Nebraska's hiring of Frost was the most impactful since Saban and I think he even said they'd win multiple national titles with him. I can admit there was a time I wanted Frost as a coach, but I would never make such ridiculous predictions like that.

Some of the things he's said over the years has rubbed me the wrong way, but I don't think enough about Brando to even care. He's irrelevant.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14544 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:57 am to
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Some of the things he's said over the years has rubbed me the wrong way, but I don't think enough about Brando to even care. He's irrelevant.



I agree but for a guy with the ego of Brando, he would never realize his irrelevancy. His status in the business has declined significantly in recent years, but it does not seem to diminish his self confidence as he is VERY strong in his opinions.

The fact that his opinion may not be much respected any more these days and even might hurt the cause he's pontificating for is totally lost on him.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
22046 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:05 am to
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He’s only worthy of having his name associated with destroying the LSU basketball program for decades.
whoa...pump the brakes...Brady succeeded Dale Brown in 1997-98 and got us to the Sweet 16 in 2000 and Final Four in 2006...where do you get "destroying LSU basketball for decades" from?
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:22 am to
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where do you get "destroying LSU basketball for decades" from?


A few people say it on here over and over, then all of the sudden it becomes fact. LSU won 3 SEC championships with 2 head coaches in the 12 years after Brown left. That's hardly destroying LSU basketball for decades.

Also the fact that Lester Earl admittedly lied about everything due to pressure from the NCAA regarding his transfer to Kansas gets totally glossed over by everyone.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14544 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:26 am to
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Also the fact that Lester Earl admittedly lied about everything due to pressure from the NCAA regarding his transfer to Kansas gets totally glossed over by everyone.


My take on this is we know Lester lied....the question for me is which time? There was a lot of local pressure for him to recant....A LOT.
Posted by adamb2151
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2013
6586 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:32 am to
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Actually I’d rather have no one’s name. Put their names in the ring of honor or on banners in the rafters with retired numbers or something like that.



This is a reasonable compromise.



Well the problem with the compromise here is it already was voted on, passed and the ceremony happened naming it after Dale. There is no compromise of taking Dale's name off now. This whole thing is asinine and wouldnt happen anywhere other than Louisiana.
Posted by adamb2151
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2013
6586 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:38 am to
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Dude we’re talking about the name on a basketball court, in the grand scheme of things that’s completely meaningless. There’s got to be millions of examples of dirty politics that are far far worse it is a state where multiple governors have gone to jail


Its not about a name on a court. The names on the court issue is just a symptom of a bigger problem. Its about powerful progressive Louisiana politicians using their political influence on the governor to get a measure that was voted down through the proper channels, passed through anyway bc its their agenda. Not sure how so many LSU fans are caught up in the issue of who deserves their name on the court and dont see how this is the issue. What if Mary Werner wanted to name Tiger Stadium after George Floyd and the board voted it down but she pressured JBE to push it through. We have a board that votes for a reason and Mary Werner, like a typical democrat doesnt think voting matters and wants her agenda passed anyway. A board is made up of people with diverse views and interests and they vote on things to happen so peoples interests, that arent the majority cant just be forced on LSU.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 8:49 am
Posted by el gato
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
2409 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:23 am to
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Its not about a name on a court.
That's exactly what all of this is about. If Gunter's name weren't about to be added to the basketball court then no Brando, Vitale, etc... would not be talking about politics and LSU basketball at the same time.
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What if Mary Werner wanted to name Tiger Stadium after George Floyd and the board voted it down but she pressured JBE to push it through.
What if Werner wanted to name Tiger Stadium after Charlie McClendon? The problem with your analogy is that Gunter is as qualified as Brown. There is no reality in which naming a court after Gunter equates to naming Tiger Stadium after George Floyd. If you're truly worried about politics and not whether Brown's name is on the court then you've picked a weak example to plant your flag on.

If Brown is so insulted that LSU would have him share the naming of LSU's court with Gunter then perhaps he should ask the school to remove his name.
Posted by adamb2151
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2013
6586 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:30 am to
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The problem with your analogy is that Gunter is as qualified as Brown.


So stupid. It is not about who is qualified. It is about the fact that it was voted down and still being pushed through by someone who wants it. If the board thought Gunter was deserving they would have voted it through. The George Floyd example is extreme but it basically means ones persons agenda can supercede the voting process and be pushed through.


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If Brown is so insulted that LSU would have him share the naming of LSU's court with Gunter then perhaps he should ask the school to remove his name.


This will probably happen and will be an extreme embarrassment to LSU and will be all over every sports publication everywhere. Unnecessarily. Dale will be interviewed evrywhere to combat the fact that he is made out to be sexist and Mary Werner will be in the media hailed as a Democrat party hero, which is I am sure her goal ultimately. The whole thing will be another LSU black eye.
Posted by HighRoller
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
4212 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:44 am to
There isn’t much difference in Collis Temple running to Tate the second he was named president to leverage him to help get Dales name on the court.

Politics was used then and it was fine. Now she’s doing it and it’s a problem. So what if they’ve already voted. Can they not look at an issue twice? Maybe the board wants to hold another vote. Is it no longer allowed.
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
High Plains Drifter
Member since Sep 2019
954 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:45 am to
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Its not about a name on a court. The names on the court issue is just a symptom of a bigger problem. Its about powerful progressive Louisiana politicians using their political influence on the governor to get a measure that was voted down through the proper channels, passed through anyway bc its their agenda. Not sure how so many LSU fans are caught up in the issue of who deserves their name on the court and dont see how this is the issue. What if Mary Werner wanted to name Tiger Stadium after George Floyd and the board voted it down but she pressured JBE to push it through. We have a board that votes for a reason and Mary Werner, like a typical democrat doesnt think voting matters and wants her agenda passed anyway. A board is made up of people with diverse views and interests and they vote on things to happen so peoples interests, that arent the majority cant just be forced on LSU.


Yea, I tired to convey this but you summed it up nicely. I alluded to Werner with my first post in this thread.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28470 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:53 am to
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Its not about a name on a court. The names on the court issue is just a symptom of a bigger problem. Its about powerful progressive Louisiana politicians using their political influence on the governor to get a measure that was voted down through the proper channels, passed through anyway bc its their agenda. Not sure how so many LSU fans are caught up in the issue of who deserves their name on the court and dont see how this is the issue. What if Mary Werner wanted to name Tiger Stadium after George Floyd and the board voted it down but she pressured JBE to push it through. We have a board that votes for a reason and Mary Werner, like a typical democrat doesnt think voting matters and wants her agenda passed anyway. A board is made up of people with diverse views and interests and they vote on things to happen so peoples interests, that arent the majority cant just be forced on LSU.


Very well said.

Frankly, I don't really care if Gunter's name is on the court. She's probably as qualified as Dale to have that "honor". But the bigger issue is capitulating ONE person's own personal agenda.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36179 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:25 am to
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Frankly, I don't really care if Gunter's name is on the court. She's probably as qualified as Dale to have that "honor". But the bigger issue is capitulating ONE person's own personal agenda.


We had one group push through their agenda, and now we have another pushing theirs.

When you lower the bar (standards) you find more folks that are qualified. High standards limit that.

Now we are dealing with the consequences.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24276 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:14 am to
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Dale Brown is an insecure bitch. He’s only worthy of having his name associated with destroying the LSU basketball program for decades. He and Collis Temple are selfish egomaniacs that are misogynistic.

Dale Brown brought us years of probation and sanctions and they rewarded him with his name on the court. Might as well make the governor’s mansion the Long-Edwards Governor’s mansion if we are going to award criminals and corruption. Let’s put a Ray Nagin statute where Lee once was.

Dale Brown needs to be banned from stepping foot in the PMAC

Although I think naming courts after people is stupid, this is even more ridiculous.

Brown wasn't the best coach and had his faults, but love him or hate him, he did create the great atmosphere that people remember with the Deaf Dome and the most exciting years in the PMAC. LSU's basketball program was a piece of crap when he took it over. He made it into something people got excited about and still remember decades later. Sue Gunter had good accomplishments, but the men's team during the Brown era was on a different level and had a lot more accomplishments with the SEC Championships and deep tournament runs.

And it's not like LSU is the only place who has a court named after a coach who didn't win it all (Purdue, Ga Tech, etc.). The reason we even have expectations of anything in basketball is because Brown created expectations when he had success over a long period of time. And he never coached for another college team, so he was dedicated to LSU.

And the whole Lester Earl thing was laughable (which Earl has since admitted he lied about). But even if he received $5,000, he got ripped off. That's like getting a $5 bill in college recruiting when it comes to big recruits. Brown is 86 and his time in the spotlight has passed, but some of y'all act like he's the anti-christ. I didn't always agree with him, but I think it's time to let it go.



Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39983 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:04 pm to
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Yes, some of the Board members are already trying to rename the court after Sue Gunter and Brown instead of just Brown...one year after already voting to name the court after Brown. This is also being endorsed by the University President. It is an absolute disgrace

Maybe my brain hasn't rotted enough yet, but why is this an "absolute disgrace"?
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14544 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:31 pm to
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Maybe my brain hasn't rotted enough yet, but why is this an "absolute disgrace"?


To some it's being framed as they are removing Dale's name after just honoring him, disrespecting the man in his last years.... even though it's not really being removed nor is the honor, it's just now being shared with one other person.

And obviously to some that's a disgrace? Sure is to Timmy B who is on Twitter and Mascona's show and anyone else's who would listen...not maybe realizing that putting his brand on this may be doing more harm than good....just like Dick.
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6895 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:02 pm to
I started to post this is much ado about nothing. But since this thread is now 16 pages, that’s not true.

So I say just go ahead and name it after both Dale and Sue. And let’s move on to something else.
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