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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:24 pm to
Was she chasing after them for her cap? Dude in white shirt looks to be holding something….hard to tell. They are also looking back toward her like they are seeing if she’s coming after them.

Could be another explanation for the video. What if she’s literally chasing after them saying give me my hat back? Other witnesses will be important here.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:35 pm to
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2. any video from the four would only be voluntarily presented by the defense if it were favorable to the defense 3. if Lee was filming the whole/most of the time and there are clips that present their case in a positive light then of course the defense would show that side. 4. Hence what they showed Nakamoto was most likely edited to refute what Hillar Moore and the Judge said after the hearing 5. however if Lee or any of them, filmed the sex and at any point she said no or attempted to stop the proceedings then they would only give that video up under court order


Thank you.

You would think this would be obvious to everyone here. We are essentially hearing one side of the story so far.

I would also like to add that some people are insinuating that if there is a video where she apparently gives consent that this automatically negates all of the other evidence.

If there is evidence of her falling all over the bar and clearly drinking enough to put her BAC at .32 even if she said yes it could still be rape. She could have answered yes if you asked her if she was a potato at that time. The point is she was in no condition to consent and even the driver admitted that in the affidavit.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:35 pm to
This story is currently back as the lead on FoxNews.com and frankly, I hope it stays there until the embarrassing black eyes on LSU and BR become too much to ignore.

This entire fricking thing is completely outrageous.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:35 pm to
Yeh I am not condoning the actions of these 4 guys in any way. I am merely asking someone with knowledge of the law if they know of any cases that have made society think a drunk man should make better decisions than a drunk woman.

In DWI cases both seem to be held to the same standards...at least i have never seen "well she was a woman so she should get let off bc women are less capable of making good decisions when drunk"



Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:37 pm to
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I hope it stays there until the embarrassing black eyes on LSU and BR become too much to ignore.


You think this is a BR/LSU problem and doesn't happen elsewhere?
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:38 pm to
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Video 15 minutes before she leaves with them shows her falling off a bench and 17 year old suspect helping her up.

Fair. I guess they'll have to come up with something else.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:38 pm to
Top story as you said on Fox's main page:

Madison Brooks' family 'blown away' by claims LSU student 'would not have complained' about alleged rape


LINK



There's a video interview with Madison's mother's attorney.

Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:39 pm to
@JudgeHolden,

Do you still think it's likely they take a plea deal? Or is this going to trial?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:40 pm to
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I am merely asking someone with knowledge of the law if they know of any cases that have made society think a drunk man should make better decisions than a drunk woman.


Do we really want to set the standard that if a man has a few beers he can turn into a predator looking for extremely drunk women?

This is a difficult subject and I agree with some of the things you are saying. It’s a lot more murky when two people have known each other for awhile or have been dating off and on. I have less sympathy when people are total strangers. Madi had never met these people sober.
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:40 pm to
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You think this is a BR/LSU problem and doesn't happen elsewhere?



I don't care if it happens everywhere. It's happening here and nobody who can change things seems to give a frick.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

We are essentially hearing one side of the story so far.
For most of the thread, the only side we knew was prosecution’s… the affidavit. So this is wrong.
quote:

some people are insinuating that if there is a video where she apparently gives consent that this automatically negates all of the other evidence.
Link? I haven’t seen a single poster say anything is negated.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

"If Ms. Brooks was alive, this would not be a crime. She would not have complained about it at all."

— Defense attorney Joe Long


holy shite, I missed this quote

wow
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:42 pm to
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You do realize the alleged rape likely has nothing to do with holding her against her will, right?



you ever try to have anal sex with a female with no lube?
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Madison Brooks' family 'blown away' by claims LSU student 'would not have complained' about alleged rape


Geez... somehow I missed that by the white attorney in the statement. I think I cut it off after he misidentified his very own clients in his statement. He actually said "she would have not complained" ?
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

"If Ms. Brooks was alive, this would not be a crime. She would not have complained about it at all."

— Defense attorney Joe Long
quote:

holy shite, I missed this quote

wow


Yeah, I guess the only good thing about Louisiana churning out so many attorneys is that there's a good chance of most of them being pretty shitty.
Posted by JAMAC2001
Member since Jan 2013
2768 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:48 pm to
That press conference was foul as frick! "at the very time they were conducting press conference, the lawyers knew washington was being arrested on rape charge in LP"
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:51 pm to
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Yeh I am not condoning the actions of these 4 guys in any way. I am merely asking someone with knowledge of the law if they know of any cases that have made society think a drunk man should make better decisions than a drunk woman.


It is not strictly a man/woman thing under Louisiana. The only reason it comes up here is because the woman was very intoxicated.

The defense could argue that the man was so drunk he did not know what he was doing. Generally, intoxication is not a defense (unless it is involuntary). See La. Rev. Stat. 14:15. But it could arguably preclude "special knowledge" needed for this crime. (IMO, that is going to be a very weak argument here, because the standard for knowledge is "reasonable person.")

Look, I get your point. You could look at this and say it holds men to a standard to which it does not hold women. I don't think it plays out that way in this case.

Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:51 pm to
He said it at the press conference when someone asked him if Madison had not died if there'd even be a rape case.

Joe Long said probably not. Never be a case without her death.

This was the reason the perps avoided using their phones to call anyone for her or drop her in a well-lit place or a hospital or call an Uber for her.

WHERE WAS THE UBER GOING TO BRING HER?

They had the guys driving her around for almost an hour to three addresses. She was too drunk to know where she lived or where anyone else lived.

The for sure couldn't bring her to a police station.

So they left her on the side of the road in the dark to wander around for help, which she did and wandered into traffic trying to flag down a random car still out that late.


The selective edit of the video. If, as I suspect, there's video of the rape itself and other footage that looks bad for defendants that'll come out as they do forensics on all the phones in the car. Gotta think a 17 and 18 year old made video.

This is becoming Baton Rouge's version of The Accused - an old Jodi Foster movie.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:51 pm to
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you ever try to have anal sex with a female with no lube?


Especially in front of other people. I made this exact point early in the thread.

She had to be incredibly wasted and essentially numb to be able to tolerate that.
Too many people here are watching too much porn and have a false sense of how that would go.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 1:55 pm
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
87620 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:52 pm to
Someone asked for a timeline
Here is the FoxNews Timeline

JANUARY 14, 2023

10:06 p.m.

Video footage obtained by the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s (EBRSO) office shows Brooks arrive at Reggie’s Bar in Tigerland, located on Bob Pettit Boulevard.

10:18 p.m.

Casen Carver and Kaivon Washington, both 18; Everett Lee, Washington’s 28-year-old uncle; and an unidentified 17-year-old are seen arriving at Reggie’s.

"Inside the bar, the victim and Mr. Carsen’s (sic) 17-year-old juvenile friend were seen hugging and dancing," states a EBRSO affidavit.

JANUARY 15, 2023

General view of Tigerland in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2023. Reggie's Bar, located in Tigerland, is reportedly one of the last places where LSU student Madison Brooks was seen before her death on Jan. 15.

"The victim got back on her feet with the help of three individuals," the document states.


1:34 a.m.

Brooks falls while standing up from a bench near the entrance of Reggie’s bar, the affidavit states.

The 17-year-old suspect is then allegedly seen approaching Brooks. He "removed her baseball cap," and Brooks is seen "grabbing" the teen’s hand "while getting back on her feet," the document alleges.


1:49 a.m.

Brooks and the four men leave Reggie’s Bar.

1:51 a.m.

Brooks and the quartet are seen "walking towards the location of their parked vehicle."

1:54 a.m.

The group then boards the vehicle.

Scene of fatal Madison Books
2:50 a.m.

The EBRSO Traffic Division receives a call about a fatal crash on Burbank Drive, where Brooks is struck by a car. Brooks is rushed to an area hospital, but cannot be saved.

Brooks' sorority, Alpha Phi, confirms that she posthumously donated her kidneys and heart.


The person who struck Brooks "was not impaired and contacted emergency personnel immediately," an EBRSO spokesperson says. The driver does not face criminal charges.

JANUARY 16, 2023

Carver tells police he and the three others – Washington, Lee and the minor – went to the bar on Bob Pettit Boulevard, called Reggie’s, where they consumed alcohol, according to the affidavit.

He denies ever seeing Brooks prior to that night.

Carver allegedly tells police "the victim walked with them" as they were leaving the bar. He says Brooks "was very unstable on her feet, was not able to keep her balance, and was unable to speak clearly without slurring her words."


Carver tells police Brooks "asked for a ride home." "[H]e admitted that he agreed to give her the ride because he did not want to leave her while very intoxicated and the bar was closing."

He says he asked the woman about her friends, "but she was ‘drunk’ and did not know where her friends were," the affidavit states.

Carver drove the vehicle, while Lee sat in the front passenger seat, Carver tells police. Washington and the minor suspect sat in the back seat with Brooks, according to the police documents.

He says he "asked the victim for her address, but she fell over and could not answer him."

The group then drove "a short distance to a nearby street" where they parked, the affidavit states.

Carver tells police he "overheard his 17-year-old juvenile friend as he asked the victim five times, if she wanted to have sex with him," the affidavit states. He allegedly says the victim "gave verbal consent."

According to Carver, the 17-year-old suspect and Washington then took turns having sex with Brooks. He tells police she consented to Washington and the 17-year-old but added that "he thought the victim was ‘drunker’ and her speech was slurred," according to the affidavit.

Carver allegedly tells police that he and Lee were still in the vehicle at the time of the sex acts, the affidavit states, but that "he felt uncomfortable and he ‘hated it,’" the document adds.

"During the interview, the co-defendant (Carver) was asked if the victim was too impaired to consent to the sexual intercourse and he replied, ‘I guess,’" the document continues.

JANUARY 18, 2023

A post-mortem examination conducted at the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner’s Office shows the victim "had injuries consistent with previous sexual assault." A urine sample tests positive for THC.

Shane Evans, the chief of investigations for the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner’s Office, later tells Fox News Digital Brooks died from "multiple traumatic injuries 2nd motor vehicle collision vs. pedestrian."

JANUARY 19, 2023

Medical records show the victim’s blood alcohol concentration at the time of her death was 0.319%.

JANUARY 23, 2023
Carver, Washington and Lee are booked into East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office jail. Carver and Lee are charged with principles to third-degree rape.

Washington is charged with third-degree rape.

In Louisiana, third-degree rape involves sexual intercourse that "is deemed to be without the lawful consent of a victim," according to state law.

Attorneys for the suspects argue that video showed the victim was not drunk to the point where she was unable to consent to sex. Attorney Ronald Haley, who is representing two of the suspects, says video showed Brooks "willfully got into the car," according to FOX 8.

"Absolutely not a rape," Haley says. "Listen, this is a tragedy, definitely not a crime."

He acknowledges that Brooks appeared intoxicated, according to FOX 8.

"To the point under the law that you say you’re in a drunken stupor, to the point that you cannot lawfully give consent or answer questions? Absolutely that was not the case," he says.

JANUARY 24, 2023

All three adult suspects appear in court for bond hearings. Judge Brad Myers, from the 19th Judicial District, says he personally had viewed footage related to the case, according to local news station WAFB-TV.

Myers says he watched a video of Brooks and the suspects from inside the vehicle, according to the report. Myers said footage, which was allegedly taken by one of the four suspects, depicted the others "callously" laughing at Brooks, who appeared to slur as she spoke, according to the report. The video reportedly did not include the alleged rape.

Myers also says he saw footage that showed Brooks inside Reggie’s earlier in the night as she struggled to stand up and could be seen falling, WAFB reported. The judge reportedly says he believes based on the footage and other evidence that a crime occurred.

Prosecutors announce they will be seeking to charge the suspects with first-degree rape, though it was not clear if they planned to take the action against all or only some of the males, the outlet reported. Prosecutors are also expected to empanel a grand jury.

Myers orders Washington be held on $150,000 bond in connection with the third-degree rape charge. Carver and Lee, charged as principles, are ordered held on $50,000 and $75,000, respectively.

Carver and Lee post bond and are released that same day.



Ernest Legier Jr., commissioner of Louisiana Alcohol and Tobacco Control, tells Fox News Digital that state authorities issued an emergency suspension, an action that "immediately suspends the service or sale of alcoholic beverages."


"The Louisiana ATC is working with Baton Rouge ABC and local law enforcement to investigate and share evidence regarding recent incidents at this establishment," Legier Jr. says. "Due to the seriousness of the allegations and the potential threat to public safety, an emergency suspension will be issued today."

JANUARY 26, 2023
Washington posts $150,000 bond and is released from jail.
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