re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

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From the time at Reggie's to the time she was struck on Burbank, how much is supposedly on video?

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That has not been established.

And just using my own teens as an example, it's likely to be a BUNCH of short clips.

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Drunk people do stupid shite all the time: Urinate in public Take clothes off Sleep in the bushes Fall in a lake a drown

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And do illegal, dangerous things like drive drunk.

Depending on what she says and does in the car, this case may come down solely to the perception of her state of mind by the 4 men. Which, for the 100th time, is why their statements to police are the most damning evidence against them. Knowing how drunk she was, ALL of her decision making could be compromised in their eyes or at least it should have been. The law covers both. A reasonable person should know not to take advantage of a person who is that bad off and all indications are that she was. Full stop. The part where Angel is getting so wrong is that she may have SAID THINGS that make her SOUND like a willing participant. But it’s irrelevant to what they knew (or should have known) at the time. And that’s not victim blaming. The issue will be convincing a jury that what she says (if she said what Angel accuses her of) is not consent due to her state.

I can't believe that passes as journalism. I don't know what happened in that car. I wasn't there but that "news story" is completely inappropriate to both the suspects and the deceased. frick all 3 of those guys.

Edit: However, one thing does bother me. She is trashed and unable to consent, fine. But if the suspects are trashed too and all parties, in a drunken stupor, engage in sexual activity. How does the law determine that the males are the aggressors?

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However, one thing does bother me. She is trashed and unable to consent, fine. But if the suspects are trashed too and all parties, in a drunken stupor, engage in sexual activity. How does the law determine that the males are the aggressors?

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In this particular instance, Im sure the claim that they were in a stupor is weighed against the fact that the next day they were able to give statement recounting the night.

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She was there for just a month during the summer. Really good chance in a bar with that much turnover that no one knew her that well.
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If you are in a frat/sorority there is a good chance you know someone or multiple people that work at just about every bar in Tigerland, especially if you are a regular there and use to work there.


Yes, All previous fraternity shenanigans have been outsourced to Tigerland since the DKE incident in (2019??) and the subsequent crack down on fraternity parties. LSU doesn't want liability, and I personally think they were fine with this arrangement. Each bar seems to have different associations with various Frats/Sororities. In Reggie's case, the bartender was a sority sister and childhood friend of Madi's. So I've been told.

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I am not defending anyone, I just think that in the interest of equality we cannot hold males accountable simply because they get an erection and are on top. If all parties are drunk, no good decisions get made. Men shouldn't take advantage of drunk women. However, drunk women shouldn't coerce, take part, and call it rape when regret sets in at 10 am. (Speaking globally not specifically to this case)

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don't disagree. I'd be utterly shocked to learn of a rape case where the female is charged/convicted of rape when both are drunk.

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But it’s irrelevant to what they knew (or should have known) at the time. And that’s not victim blaming.

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To be fair, the only one in this situation who isn’t having their fair share of blame thrown their way is madi


As coarse and as crude as that sounds, it’s true. SHE chose to go out. SHE chose to drink. SHE chose to keep drinking until it got to the point where she had no clue what was going on.

It’s pathetic that I have to do this, but I’m in no way, shape, or form saying that she deserved any of this or that the guys involved in this mess are innocent little angels. I just think that she should shoulder a little of the blame for this as well


** the only positive in this situation is that this can be used as a teaching point for parents who have kids going off to school. Both males and females have a lot to learn from this situation. Things can spiral out of control in a hurry **

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Reggie's case, the bartender was a sority sister and childhood friend of Madi's. So I've been told.

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Hope she’s not being too hard on herself.

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As coarse and as crude as that sounds, it’s true. SHE chose to go out. SHE chose to drink. SHE chose to keep drinking until it got to the point where she had no clue what was going on.

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We hashed much of all that out early on in the thread. Her and her friends’ actions are what parents are talking about to their teenagers. All you can do is learn from their “mistakes” and try to avoid a similar situation. Because bad people exist and while it’s totally their fault and they should be punished, consequences affect all parties.