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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:52 pm to Giantkiller
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:52 pm to Giantkiller
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Defense attorney Joe Long
That was a bold statement. Maybe there was a better way to say it. I doubt that would go over well with any jury.
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:53 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Do we really want to set the standard that if a man has a few beers he can turn into a predator looking for extremely drunk women?
Not at all I am just asking why society says a man should be more accountable than a woman if both are impaired.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:54 pm to JudgeHolden
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Joe Long, who represents another one of the suspects, went further, telling reporters, "If Ms. Brooks was alive, this would not be a crime."
"She would not have complained about it at all," Long said, according to the report. "The only reason it’s there is because the understandable anger in the community wants someone to pay for her death. And we understand that, but our clients did not do that."
That's going to come back to bite him. Who in their right mind thinks this is what you say?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:56 pm to Ingeniero
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Who in their right mind thinks this is what you say?
He did start out by saying Washington was in the front and Everett was in the back and participated in the rape. I'd question his competence as my own attorney if he misidentified me in a public statement.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:56 pm to Giantkiller
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It's happening here and nobody who can change things seems to give a frick.
I think this thread is proof otherwise. I am not really sure how this case could be changed though.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:56 pm to jdd48
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He actually said "she would have not complained"
What he meant was this would have been an unreported date rape. She would have sobered up. She had no idea the names or identities of the rapists. There'd be no way to verify her sobriety BUT FOR her death.
Would she have called the police and filed a complaint? Told her parents she was crazy drunk that night before and had sex with random guys, had no idea who they were and where it happened, or how many?
She likely would have kept quiet rather than be judged by the police, family, and friends for what took place.
If this happened (blitz drunk and crazy behavior) before, sounds like stories you'd here in Alcoholics Anonymous.
Someone once said, "If you drink and trouble follows, you're an alcoholic."
Some people can stop with a buzz and some just keep going until they fall off a cliff - pass out drunks. It's scary to be around people like that.
The sororiety sister/friend that worked there if she's on video serving Madison could be charged as well. Laws on that and she had to be licensed to sell.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:56 pm to Topwater Trout
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Not at all I am just asking why society says a man should be more accountable than a woman if both are impaired.
Because I don’t subscribe to the woke idea that there is no difference in the sexes.
Women are more vulnerable, smaller, weaker, and do not have to be aroused to be penetrated. You don’t have to explain to most decent men why they should be protected.
This is one of the major frick ups of the disaster #metoo movement. It has poisoned that once noble well.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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I am merely asking someone with knowledge of the law if they know of any cases that have made society think a drunk man should make better decisions than a drunk woman.
I am by no means an expert in this field, so take it for what it is worth, but I've never heard of that. Obviously women can get drunk at different rates due to physical differences, experience, etc., but I don't think those accepted differences have been taken that far.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:58 pm to supatigah
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1:34 a.m. Brooks falls while standing up from a bench near the entrance of Reggie’s bar, the affidavit states. The 17-year-old suspect is then allegedly seen approaching Brooks. He "removed her baseball cap," and Brooks is seen "grabbing" the teen’s hand "while getting back on her feet," the document alleges. 1:49 a.m. Brooks and the four men leave Reggie’s Bar.
This baseball cap detail has just jumped out at me today and I haven’t seen it discussed before.
She’s not wearing a cap when chasing after them. Was she chasing after them to get her cap that the 17 year old took? Did they take it to see if she would give chase? They are looking back that way to see if she’s coming.
It may have been the 17 year olds hat that she was wearing and he just took it before leaving. But the affidavit says it was “her” cap.
I kinda want more details about this cap.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:00 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Especially in front of other people. I made this exact point early in the thread.
She had to be incredibly wasted and essentially numb to be able to tolerate that.
Too many people here are watching too much porn and have a false sense of how that would go.
I would suggest she might have needed to be held down in order to accomplish this if she was in any state of conscience.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:02 pm to supatigah
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If Madi reached that state from 1:50 AM to 2:30 AM, does that then allow for two males to legally have sex with her after she gave what they said was "consent?"
That is technically possible. If a reasonable person would believe that she was able to give consent, and she gave it, then there was no third degree rape, no matter how drunk she was.
That's why the running, the walking, and whatever the car video shows are extremely relevant.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:03 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
The other thing is her missing phone.
Did she believe that the guys had her phone?
You have to remember with a jury that (in BR) has a bias going into any white/black trial all they need is some legit reason to turn that bias into a conclusion.
Blood tests? We got experts to knock all that down. Look at the video. She was chasing after them!
"If the blood don't fit, you must acquit!"
Be tough to get a conviction in EBR because this is a 'stick it to the man' type of case. High profile.
Look at the WAFB and WBRZ comments. Black women 90% say she wanted it, she got it, too bad.
Racial politics is also why Moore won't ask for change of venue. He's got to try it here and deal with the cards dealt.
Did she believe that the guys had her phone?
You have to remember with a jury that (in BR) has a bias going into any white/black trial all they need is some legit reason to turn that bias into a conclusion.
Blood tests? We got experts to knock all that down. Look at the video. She was chasing after them!
"If the blood don't fit, you must acquit!"
Be tough to get a conviction in EBR because this is a 'stick it to the man' type of case. High profile.
Look at the WAFB and WBRZ comments. Black women 90% say she wanted it, she got it, too bad.
Racial politics is also why Moore won't ask for change of venue. He's got to try it here and deal with the cards dealt.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:07 pm to JudgeHolden
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hat's why the running, the walking, and whatever the car video shows are extremely relevant.
10 seconds of dark, grainy, blurry and out of context video is not the slam dunk everyone seems to think in here
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:07 pm to HodsonTiger13
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Look at the WAFB and WBRZ comments. Black women 90% say she wanted it, she got it, too bad.
They are saying that though because she’s on video following after them and people are construing that as her wanting to hook up?
What if the truth is that she’s chasing after them before stumbling, and she’s saynh hey, give me my hat back!!!
Other girl that follows her is a key witness. Need to know what she saw and heard.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:09 pm to JudgeHolden
The running, walking, and her talking on video all go to her state of mind and ability to consent. Contradicts the "stupor" needed.
And defense just has to create 'reasonable doubt.' Lock these guys up in prison when if you watch the video... it's a 50/50 call? Can't do that.
Most people know what a drunk looks like and a sloppy drunk. 4x legal limit drunk? Unless you've been around alcoholics (I have, sadly) your average person has no idea how non-functional people get. Next morning they remember NOTHING.
Madison if she kept drinking when drunk and grabbed random drinks off tables and her friends had already become frustrated with her (someone said earlier in the thread) was exhibiting signs of alcoholism.
Men and women both have same number of beers (and just assume they're same height and weight) and have sex. Guy can still be guilty of rape if a 'reasonable person' should have known she was incapable of giving consent.
Laws protect women here because they get pregnant and men don't. Law in general protect women.
But there have been men liquored or drugged up and raped. Just far rarer and likely reported even more rarely because of the shame in that situation.
And defense just has to create 'reasonable doubt.' Lock these guys up in prison when if you watch the video... it's a 50/50 call? Can't do that.
Most people know what a drunk looks like and a sloppy drunk. 4x legal limit drunk? Unless you've been around alcoholics (I have, sadly) your average person has no idea how non-functional people get. Next morning they remember NOTHING.
Madison if she kept drinking when drunk and grabbed random drinks off tables and her friends had already become frustrated with her (someone said earlier in the thread) was exhibiting signs of alcoholism.
Men and women both have same number of beers (and just assume they're same height and weight) and have sex. Guy can still be guilty of rape if a 'reasonable person' should have known she was incapable of giving consent.
Laws protect women here because they get pregnant and men don't. Law in general protect women.
But there have been men liquored or drugged up and raped. Just far rarer and likely reported even more rarely because of the shame in that situation.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:13 pm to HodsonTiger13
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Madison if she kept drinking when drunk and grabbed random drinks off tables
This fact alone just totally blows my mind. I think to myself how fked up id need to be to do this and the answer is unconscious.
No one capable of having sex is doing that.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:13 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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They are saying that though because she’s on video following after them and people are construing that as her wanting to hook up?
They're saying it because she's an attractive rich honor roll student white chick and, therefore, they hate her.
Go read the comments and tell me that's not true.
The comment by Nak this was a 'racialized case.' Huh? One of the accused is white.
Nak is telling us whites say 'rape guilty horrible' blacks say 'she wanted it, whore, F her."
Go ask ten random people by race - assuming you can have an honest talk with them - and that's exactly what they'll tell you.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:16 pm to HodsonTiger13
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What he meant was this would have been an unreported date rape
What? I seriously doubt the defense was accusing his own client of date rape. He meant his clients did not commit a crime, and if she had lived, she wouldn't have complained because she gave consent.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:18 pm to Beef Tips
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This fact alone just totally blows my mind. I think to myself how fked up id need to be to do this and the answer is unconscious.
No one capable of having sex is doing that.
Did you go to LSU?
Ever hear of a frat running a train on a drunk girl? Passed out. Guys line up, one after another?
Drunks are targets for robbery as well. Happens all the time in the Quarter. You pass out, don't expect to wake up with a wallet.
If you're around bars and groups of people drinking, at some point - as a guy - you'll have to turn down a drunk girl or two. Just part of the scene. They may get mad or they may appreciate it the next day when they sober up and give you a sober shot.
But some guys show up at bars at 1 am knowing that's the 'easy target' time.
Drinking age was 18 back in my ancient history days.
Another bit of advice: Nothing good happens after midnight.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:19 pm to Proximo
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10 seconds of dark, grainy, blurry and out of context video is not the slam dunk everyone seems to think in here
I don’t think it is. I think it’s odd. Combine that with the fairly bold statements by defense counsel and what we know of the car video, I think it will become important to the case.
Unless . . . the sexual injuries are pretty bad and from this assault. At that point, all the rest means frick all.
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