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Rapper/rock musician/bestselling comic book writer YoungRippa59, breaks down MCU problem
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:13 pm
Apparently being a fan of the source material has been labeled a "red flag"
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Not sure if there is a right-leaning anarcho-capitalist version of a "ditto-head", but if there is. . .that's me, in reference to Eric July.
FWIW, his band "Backwordz" is fire as frick. I was a fan of theirs for years, before I knew he had a podcast.
The reference article
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Not sure if there is a right-leaning anarcho-capitalist version of a "ditto-head", but if there is. . .that's me, in reference to Eric July.
FWIW, his band "Backwordz" is fire as frick. I was a fan of theirs for years, before I knew he had a podcast.
The reference article
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As if it wasn’t obvious enough from simply watching any of the studio’s post-Infinity War output, producer Nate Moore has revealed that he believes the key to Marvel Studios’ success is hiring writers who are “out” of the comic book culture over anyone who loves the source material.
Moore, whose career has seen him serve as a producer for such Marvel Cinematic Universe entries as Captain America: Civil War, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and most recently Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, shared his insight into Marvel Studios’ hiring philosophy during an appearance on the November 16th episode of The Ringer’s The Town podcast.
Speaking with host Matthew Belloni about his general experience working for the Disney subsidiary [time stamp 17:00], Moore was eventually asked if there was “some kind of a ‘Marvel bootcamp’ or something that you do with these filmmakers to ingratiate them into this world and knowing all the things that they need to know,” to which the producer confirmed “not really.”
Noting that some Marvel writers grew up reading and collecting comics, such as Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo and Black Panther director Ryan Coogler, Moore told Belloni, “one thing I think is interesting, and specifically for writers I would say, is that a lot of times we’re pitched writers who love Marvel, and to me that’s always a red flag.”
“I don’t want you to already have a pre-existing idea of what it is, because you grew up with the comics and that’s what you want to recreate,” he explained. “I want someone who’s going to be hard on the material, who can go ‘What is this? I think there’s a movie here. but maybe we should be looking at it in this way'”
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:44 pm to Roaad
Joe Russo just said that guy is an idiot. I would imagine.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:49 pm to Roaad
WTF is naight more and wtf do we give a shite?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:54 pm to Roaad
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Apparently being a fan of the source material has been labeled a "red flag"
This is a top-notch podcast for anyone interested in the business side of movies, and the nate Moore episode is awesome for anyone curious about some MCU processes. Your rock musician is intentionally missing the point, and I'm guessing you are content to do the same.
The red-flag is when writers have a pre-decided, set in stone conception of a character based on nostalgic memories of reading comics as a child. He wants writers who want to find the most interesting versions of a character and most interesting stories involving the character, and work tirelessly to turn those into something that works as a movie. The red flag is nostalgia and coming in knowing exactly how you want to make the movie without doing any real due-diligence. He is not looking for people unfamiliar with the characters or comics.
Again, listen to the actual podcast, not the angerbait written in reaction to the podcast.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:07 pm to Roaad
quote:But every one of the hacks that produce this content claims they're huge fans of the source material.
being a fan of the source material has been labeled a "red flag"
So, the studio goes out of its way to hire people who don't like the source material, but then gets them to lie and say they do? What kind of slimeball thinks like that?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:11 pm to Jay Are
I wonder if you will ever understand why you are so disliked.
"Due diligence" What an Orwellian misappropriation of reality
"Due diligence" What an Orwellian misappropriation of reality
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:52 pm to Jay Are
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The red-flag is when writers have a pre-decided, set in stone conception of a character based on nostalgic memories of reading comics as a child.
So the red flag is writers knowing the character, knowing their motivations, knowing their weaknesses. Got it.
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He wants writers who want to find the most interesting versions of a character and most interesting stories involving the character, and work tirelessly to turn those into something that works as a movie.
He wants writers who are willing to completely disregard important aspects of a character, even the very things that make that character unique and interesting, in order to create something he and/or the writer likes. Because Hollywood writers have such a stellar resume of making literary characters and stories more interesting by moving further and further away from the source material?
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The red flag is nostalgia and coming in knowing exactly how you want to make the movie without doing any real due-diligence.
Which is exactly what happens when deep knowledge of a character becomes a "red flag" and instead you decide you want to make the movie about how you think the character should be as opposed to sticking with how the character actually is since that's what's made them popular in the first place.
You're quite literally arguing for more of this:
and this:
over this:
and this:
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:23 pm to Jay Are
The rings of power show runners were huge lore guys right?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:26 pm to Roaad
If they want to be artsy and creative come up with new franchises.
What they don’t understand is that their entire audience are the people who are fans of the source material that want to see it brought to life on the big screen.
Peter Jackson did this and even though he made come changes and omissions, LOTR set the standard on how to do it right.
What they don’t understand is that their entire audience are the people who are fans of the source material that want to see it brought to life on the big screen.
Peter Jackson did this and even though he made come changes and omissions, LOTR set the standard on how to do it right.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 10:29 pm to Roaad
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“I don’t want you to already have a pre-existing idea of what it is, because you grew up with the comics and that’s what you want to recreate,” he explained. “I want someone who’s going to be hard on the material, who can go ‘What is this? I think there’s a movie here. but maybe we should be looking at it in this way'”
Horse
shite.
This is how you get “What if Superman kills?”
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:25 am to Roaad
He is an uncle tom and everyone know this, SJW tells me so.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 8:10 am to Jay Are
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He wants writers who want to find the most interesting versions of a character and most interesting stories involving the character, and work tirelessly to turn those into something that works as a movie.
The comic, book, fable, must be deconstructed, stripped of its humanity, and restitched into a Frankenstein's monster that looks human but has the philosophical heart of Hollywood.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 8:47 am to DMagic
So they claimed. I don't believe them for a second.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:39 am to Jay Are
quote:Oh, mission accomplished, then.
He wants writers who want to find the most interesting versions of a character and most interesting stories involving the character, and work tirelessly to turn those into something that works as a movie.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:48 am to Jay Are
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The red-flag is when writers have a pre-decided, set in stone conception of a character based on nostalgic memories of reading comics as a child. He wants writers who want to find the most interesting versions of a character and most interesting stories involving the character, and work tirelessly to turn those into something that works as a movie. The red flag is nostalgia and coming in knowing exactly how you want to make the movie without doing any real due-diligence. He is not looking for people unfamiliar with the characters or comics.
And this is why you get Game of Thrones season eight and the Rings of Power. This is why a perfectly cast Henry Cavill leaves The Witcher. "We had to make it modern, put our stamp on it, make something that reflects our world, see people like us on the screen..." This attitude is how shite gets ruined.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:44 am to Roaad
I dislike that all the movies are following story lines written asher the MCU started and not great ones from the 80s and 90s.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:23 am to Saint Alfonzo
Yep, Cavil knew the lore, knew the character, WAS the character, and recognized that the writing staff were fundamentally misusing the source material to the show’s detriment.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:08 pm to Jay Are
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The red-flag is when writers have a pre-decided, set in stone conception of a character based on nostalgic memories of reading comics as a child. He wants writers who want to find the most interesting versions of a character
You, sir, are an absolute buffoon who has no idea what you’re talking about. The problem is that the characters people love are the characters people love. They don’t need some snot-nosed SJW to dress up a piss poor creation of their own in the popular character’s skin and call it a “more interesting version”.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 2:00 pm to Jay Are
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Again, listen to the actual podcast, not the angerbait written in reaction to the podcast.
It would be great if these brilliant non comic book filmmakers could create something as brilliant as the Marvel Universe.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 2:15 pm to Jay Are
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The red-flag is when writers have a pre-decided, set in stone conception of a character based on nostalgic memories of reading comics as a child.
Ah yes. Give me less Matt Reeves, Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni and more Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson please. Subvert my expectations daddy.
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