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re: Sounds like they are bringing a marriage bill to the floor tonight
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:04 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:04 pm to Fun Bunch
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As long as Government recognizes marriages, then gay marriage should be allowed under the Constitution. If government gets out of the marriage game, that's a whole different story
The Federal Government has ZERO business dealing with marriage. It should be a States issue only ! That's just another example of Govt Overreach.
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:05 pm to burger bearcat
Neither does a state. Leave it to individuals to decide.
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Regardless of your opinion on gay marriage. The Federal government has no business regulating this.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:07 pm to Fonzarelli
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It would also fully repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, known as DOMA, the 1996 law signed by then-President Bill Clinton that defined marriage as being the union of a man and a woman.
Those bigots
It's not too late for the Dems to impeach Clinton for that.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:28 pm to burger bearcat
I’m ok with this in general without diving into the language but the Feds simply putting this down as a union/marriage should be recognized within the government as a contract between two consenting adults..
To go after this from a political side of conservatism is wrong on the merits and the conservative tenets of less government involvement in our lives. It’s a overreach for republicans to attack this especially at this time.
To go after this from a political side of conservatism is wrong on the merits and the conservative tenets of less government involvement in our lives. It’s a overreach for republicans to attack this especially at this time.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:48 pm to GWM
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The Federal Government has ZERO business dealing with marriage. It should be a States issue only !
Then why is that status needed to file my income taxes. Marriage whether we like it or not is tied to all kind of government programs, and it would be impossible to untie it at this point.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:52 pm to Fun Bunch
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As long as Government recognizes marriages, then gay marriage should be allowed under the Constitution.
Why?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:54 pm to AggieHank86
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The Respect for Marriage Act would establish that a marriage is considered valid under federal law if it was legal in the state where it was performed. The bill would explicitly bar anyone from denying “full faith and credit” to an out-of-state marriage based on sex, race, ethnicity or national origin, regardless of any individual state’s law. It would grant the U.S. attorney general the authority to enforce that rule through civil action.
Is the bolded language above not already the legal situation? The full faith and credit clause is already in place, and non-discrimination of protected classes is already enshrined as well.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:55 pm to 3nOut
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i always play around with my taxes and married filed jointly is almost always the better option. i'm sure there's a magic cutoff point that gets you in into MP territory.
Married jointly is almost always better than married separately. There are a lot of cases where if each person files single it is better (mortgage interest high enough to top the single standard deduction, but not the married SD). That doesn't even come close to a head of household and a single when adoption comes into play.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:56 pm to Tigerlaff
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Why?
Because marriage in the context of this conversation is a legal arrangement between two consenting adults in order to avail themselves of certain property regimes and tax benefits. In the United States, persons should not be excluded from contracting based on their sexual orientation.
How any religion defines as marriage relative to its own beliefs is not relevant in any way to this discussion.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:58 pm to keakar
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marriage is exclusively a religeous cerimony only
civil unions are the only thing government has constitutional authority over, but they, and politicians, havent yet learned this lesson
While true, let's be honest, those things are generally thought of as the same thing by the masses.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:59 pm to hawkeye007
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It's a loosing issue for the GOP but they just cant let it go. it's so damn stupid
losen up, honey. your panties are too tight
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:01 pm to Midget Death Squad
What does government benefit from 'gay marriage'?
On what grounds are other 'marriages' legal?
What does government benefit from those other arrangements?
Does the constitution overrule Natural Moral Law?
On what grounds are other 'marriages' legal?
What does government benefit from those other arrangements?
Does the constitution overrule Natural Moral Law?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:03 pm to GWM
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The Federal Government has ZERO business dealing with marriage. It should be a States issue only ! That's just another example of Govt Overreach.
The state has no business dealing with marriage either. It's amazing how many people will fight the federal government intruding on rights, but will gladly allow those rights to be intruded on by another government entity.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:07 pm to StGeorge
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Does the constitution overrule Natural Moral Law?
Considering the latter does not exist, yes.
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What does government benefit from 'gay marriage'?
Allowing productive people to enjoy legal relationships that encourage them to own and maintain property, keep stable jobs, and yes *even though i know people here hate gays adopting kids*, raise children in a financially stable household is a benefit for society. And the reason marriage is incentivized to begin with.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:08 pm to CubsFanBudMan
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I guess you don't understand the marriage penalty when it comes to taxes
The marriage penalty was essentially eliminated for most Americans in 2017.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:09 pm to burger bearcat
As a straight white male who pays taxes, I don't care who you want to marry, but a state has the right to accept or not accept that marriage as valid.
With that said, you have no right to force a religion to marry you or force the baker to make you some gay arse cake.
With that said, you have no right to force a religion to marry you or force the baker to make you some gay arse cake.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:28 pm to burger bearcat
You gonna have to pAY for marRiAge now??!!!…
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:33 pm to burger bearcat
Is polygamy now legal? Asking for a friend.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:07 pm to burger bearcat
quote:My strong preference was for gay unions to be assigned as civil unions with all rights of married couples. In terms of "marriage", churches could do their own thing. Unfortunately, SCOTUS defecated all over that.
The Federal government has no business regulating this.
But regarding marriage, which has federal/interstate ramifications, the 10th Amendment gets trumped.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:09 pm to burger bearcat
The Bush Administration inserted itself into the marriage debate with DOMA. The legislative branch incorporated marriage. I'm not sure alternative legislation could disentangle now that Obergefell was ruled upon.
It would take a court case.
It would take a court case.
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