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Mortgage Amount 2-2.5x Annual Income

Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:08 pm
Curious as to what people are seeing with the rule of thumb. Over the last year it seems like more people are really stretching this to 3-4x annual income.

Though, given the current housing market I think in a lot of the country people feel like they have to go house broke just to get something decent.

Given everything, is this still a good rule of thumb moving forward or does it no longer really work?
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:14 pm to
quote:

Given everything, is this still a good rule of thumb moving forward


Yes it is. It always is.

quote:

or does it no longer really work?


That is what the bankers and real estate agents will tell you.
Posted by PotatoChip
Member since May 2014
3530 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:19 pm to
Interest rate plays a part. 2.5x right now would be a good rule to have.
Posted by down time
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:25 pm to
Quick Google search shows median household income in USA is 70 and median home is 370.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6108 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:37 pm to
Yeah i definitely wouldn't stretch 3-4x otherwise you're just house poor. I'm not even 2x income on my mortgage and don't even like how much I pay towards mortgage/escrow

Obviously if you live in a HCOL area spending 2.5x or more your annual income is the norm. But just another reason not to live in a HCOL area.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124189 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:42 pm to
quote:

Curious as to what people are seeing with the rule of thumb. Over the last year it seems like more people are really stretching this to 3-4x annual income.
Depends on the monthly note. As rates rise, those multiples fall.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15979 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:47 pm to
I look at a house as a place to live.

Pick a good neighborhood with low crime and decent schools.

Don’t spend all of your money on housing.

I’ve only bought two houses. Still living in the second one. It’s almost paid off.

I guess the “multiple of income” formula should have some cutoffs on the low and high end.

I can see spending 2-3 times your income when you make less, but as you gain income there has to be a point where loading up on a big house is not necessarily the best move.
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
1104 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:02 pm to
Are we talking just the mortgage amount (amount borrowed) or the total value of the house?
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5307 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:27 pm to
This just in:
Americans overspend and overextend and try to keep up with the Jones’.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
20403 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:12 pm to
We are a little above 2x. I wasn’t really comfortable when we bought but am I happy that we stretched to get our house.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11582 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:35 pm to
We did 2-2.5× back in 1980 and this is our home unless health precludes otherwise. It felt tight back then but we had three children at home back then.
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
29282 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:07 am to
We were extremely lucky buying in 2018 and refinancing in 2020. We're now at 0.7x and it's wonderful.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48801 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:36 am to
2.5x was the rule of thumb I was told 20+ years ago but I think most people go well beyond that these days.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41237 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:38 am to
I work with a lot of millennials, many are purchasing homes for the first time. Yes they are buying more expensive homes, but they have their reasons. The biggest is inflation.

Quality neighborhoods cost more than ever before, and they also believe they will be making more money in 5-10 years. Some are also counting on their student debt being forgiven.

"It will be tough at the start, but its a 30 year mortgagee and we will be making more in the future"
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:45 am to
Whatever value enables you to still live below your means…rule of thumb that matters most.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97719 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:09 pm to
Too many other variables to just compare mortgage amount to income. At 6% on a 400,000 loan you’re looking at 2,400 a month but drop that to 2.5% and it’s about 1,580. Property tax varies greatly from state to state along with insurance and things like HOA fees. I’d start with monthly note (including all of the above) vs monthly net income minus other debt
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
56113 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 4:26 pm to
When I bought my house, the. banks were willing to lend me far more than what I considered reasonable. Instead, I stuck with the range that you mention in your post and I ammdamn glad I did. I was able to afford that house payment and live comfortably. I have even been able to add to my principal payments and now am able to pay it off early if I choose.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
6461 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:03 pm to
Like many here have said, too many factors to count.

We elected to skip the traditional starter home. That said, we're working on a deal right now that is 2.5-2.75, and I admit it's a bit out of my comfort zone, but it comes with living in a high cost of living area. Generally speaking, our incomes will continue to trend upwards, making it easier and dropping that number over the next decade.
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:08 pm to
Is this 2.5x gross?

I’m at 2.52 my gross with mortgage, PMI, and escrow. This doesn’t include my wife’s income.

But I have a kid and another on the way and their daycare will slightly exceed the housing payment.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68460 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:02 pm to
This isnt really a good way to do it without accounting for other revolving debt.

I.E. take 2 young couples both making $100k/yr

Couple A has no debt at all
Couple B has 2 car payments, revolving c.c debt and student loans totaling about $1.5k/mo

Couple A can afford way more house than couple B

All about total debt to income monthly, banks use 36-43% DTI to come up with your mortgage you can 'afford'

IMO, if you can keep thing at 25% or lower, it's most ideal in terms of being able to enjoy other things and build wealth. The people who go out and get a $2500 mortgage with $1500 monthly recurring other debt and bring in $6.5k a month after tax are under some serious stress. IF you just have that mortgage and no other debt, same couple bringing in $6.5k a month after tax have a bit more room to breathe, although it's still not an ideal scenario, $4k to work with is a lot better than $2.5k.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:07 pm
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