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Mortgage Amount 2-2.5x Annual Income
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:08 pm
Curious as to what people are seeing with the rule of thumb. Over the last year it seems like more people are really stretching this to 3-4x annual income.
Though, given the current housing market I think in a lot of the country people feel like they have to go house broke just to get something decent.
Given everything, is this still a good rule of thumb moving forward or does it no longer really work?
Though, given the current housing market I think in a lot of the country people feel like they have to go house broke just to get something decent.
Given everything, is this still a good rule of thumb moving forward or does it no longer really work?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:14 pm to OleVaught14
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Given everything, is this still a good rule of thumb moving forward
Yes it is. It always is.
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or does it no longer really work?
That is what the bankers and real estate agents will tell you.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:19 pm to OleVaught14
Interest rate plays a part. 2.5x right now would be a good rule to have.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:25 pm to OleVaught14
Quick Google search shows median household income in USA is 70 and median home is 370.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:37 pm to OleVaught14
Yeah i definitely wouldn't stretch 3-4x otherwise you're just house poor. I'm not even 2x income on my mortgage and don't even like how much I pay towards mortgage/escrow
Obviously if you live in a HCOL area spending 2.5x or more your annual income is the norm. But just another reason not to live in a HCOL area.
Obviously if you live in a HCOL area spending 2.5x or more your annual income is the norm. But just another reason not to live in a HCOL area.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:42 pm to OleVaught14
quote:Depends on the monthly note. As rates rise, those multiples fall.
Curious as to what people are seeing with the rule of thumb. Over the last year it seems like more people are really stretching this to 3-4x annual income.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:47 pm to OleVaught14
I look at a house as a place to live.
Pick a good neighborhood with low crime and decent schools.
Don’t spend all of your money on housing.
I’ve only bought two houses. Still living in the second one. It’s almost paid off.
I guess the “multiple of income” formula should have some cutoffs on the low and high end.
I can see spending 2-3 times your income when you make less, but as you gain income there has to be a point where loading up on a big house is not necessarily the best move.
Pick a good neighborhood with low crime and decent schools.
Don’t spend all of your money on housing.
I’ve only bought two houses. Still living in the second one. It’s almost paid off.
I guess the “multiple of income” formula should have some cutoffs on the low and high end.
I can see spending 2-3 times your income when you make less, but as you gain income there has to be a point where loading up on a big house is not necessarily the best move.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:02 pm to OleVaught14
Are we talking just the mortgage amount (amount borrowed) or the total value of the house?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:27 pm to OleVaught14
This just in:
Americans overspend and overextend and try to keep up with the Jones’.
Americans overspend and overextend and try to keep up with the Jones’.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:12 pm to OleVaught14
We are a little above 2x. I wasn’t really comfortable when we bought but am I happy that we stretched to get our house.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:35 pm to OleVaught14
We did 2-2.5× back in 1980 and this is our home unless health precludes otherwise. It felt tight back then but we had three children at home back then.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:07 am to OleVaught14
We were extremely lucky buying in 2018 and refinancing in 2020. We're now at 0.7x and it's wonderful.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:36 am to OleVaught14
2.5x was the rule of thumb I was told 20+ years ago but I think most people go well beyond that these days.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:38 am to OleVaught14
I work with a lot of millennials, many are purchasing homes for the first time. Yes they are buying more expensive homes, but they have their reasons. The biggest is inflation.
Quality neighborhoods cost more than ever before, and they also believe they will be making more money in 5-10 years. Some are also counting on their student debt being forgiven.
"It will be tough at the start, but its a 30 year mortgagee and we will be making more in the future"
Quality neighborhoods cost more than ever before, and they also believe they will be making more money in 5-10 years. Some are also counting on their student debt being forgiven.
"It will be tough at the start, but its a 30 year mortgagee and we will be making more in the future"
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:45 am to OleVaught14
Whatever value enables you to still live below your means…rule of thumb that matters most.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:09 pm to OleVaught14
Too many other variables to just compare mortgage amount to income. At 6% on a 400,000 loan you’re looking at 2,400 a month but drop that to 2.5% and it’s about 1,580. Property tax varies greatly from state to state along with insurance and things like HOA fees. I’d start with monthly note (including all of the above) vs monthly net income minus other debt
Posted on 4/10/22 at 4:26 pm to OleVaught14
When I bought my house, the. banks were willing to lend me far more than what I considered reasonable. Instead, I stuck with the range that you mention in your post and I ammdamn glad I did. I was able to afford that house payment and live comfortably. I have even been able to add to my principal payments and now am able to pay it off early if I choose.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:03 pm to OleVaught14
Like many here have said, too many factors to count.
We elected to skip the traditional starter home. That said, we're working on a deal right now that is 2.5-2.75, and I admit it's a bit out of my comfort zone, but it comes with living in a high cost of living area. Generally speaking, our incomes will continue to trend upwards, making it easier and dropping that number over the next decade.
We elected to skip the traditional starter home. That said, we're working on a deal right now that is 2.5-2.75, and I admit it's a bit out of my comfort zone, but it comes with living in a high cost of living area. Generally speaking, our incomes will continue to trend upwards, making it easier and dropping that number over the next decade.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 1:08 pm to OleVaught14
Is this 2.5x gross?
I’m at 2.52 my gross with mortgage, PMI, and escrow. This doesn’t include my wife’s income.
But I have a kid and another on the way and their daycare will slightly exceed the housing payment.
I’m at 2.52 my gross with mortgage, PMI, and escrow. This doesn’t include my wife’s income.
But I have a kid and another on the way and their daycare will slightly exceed the housing payment.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:02 pm to OleVaught14
This isnt really a good way to do it without accounting for other revolving debt.
I.E. take 2 young couples both making $100k/yr
Couple A has no debt at all
Couple B has 2 car payments, revolving c.c debt and student loans totaling about $1.5k/mo
Couple A can afford way more house than couple B
All about total debt to income monthly, banks use 36-43% DTI to come up with your mortgage you can 'afford'
IMO, if you can keep thing at 25% or lower, it's most ideal in terms of being able to enjoy other things and build wealth. The people who go out and get a $2500 mortgage with $1500 monthly recurring other debt and bring in $6.5k a month after tax are under some serious stress. IF you just have that mortgage and no other debt, same couple bringing in $6.5k a month after tax have a bit more room to breathe, although it's still not an ideal scenario, $4k to work with is a lot better than $2.5k.
I.E. take 2 young couples both making $100k/yr
Couple A has no debt at all
Couple B has 2 car payments, revolving c.c debt and student loans totaling about $1.5k/mo
Couple A can afford way more house than couple B
All about total debt to income monthly, banks use 36-43% DTI to come up with your mortgage you can 'afford'
IMO, if you can keep thing at 25% or lower, it's most ideal in terms of being able to enjoy other things and build wealth. The people who go out and get a $2500 mortgage with $1500 monthly recurring other debt and bring in $6.5k a month after tax are under some serious stress. IF you just have that mortgage and no other debt, same couple bringing in $6.5k a month after tax have a bit more room to breathe, although it's still not an ideal scenario, $4k to work with is a lot better than $2.5k.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:07 pm
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