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Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:22 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:22 pm to
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Pretty sure it’s illegal in Ukraine to talk about the casualties

its illegal to "lie" about the war in russia
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18021 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:39 pm to
Reading reports that Ukraine has started a big attack, trying to push south of Verbove towards the final Russian line of defense.

We'll see if it works.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3757 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:47 pm to
ISW Update

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The tactical situation in Verbove remains unclear as Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 26. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) direction and offensive actions in the Bakhmut direction.[1] A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces reached the northern outskirts of Novoprokopivka (13km south of Orikhiv).[2] Russian sources have still not directly addressed a claim from a source reportedly affiliated with the Russian Airborne (VDV) Forces that Ukrainian forces control half of Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv) as of September 24.

Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded the Russian 58th Combined Arms Army (CAA) the “Guards” honorific on September 26.[4] The Russian 58th CAA (Southern Military District) has been responsible for the ongoing Russian defense against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in southern Ukraine.[5]

Likely degraded elements of the Russian 58th Combined Arms Army’s 42nd Motorized Rifle Division are increasingly counterattacking in the Novoprokopivka area, suggesting that Ukrainian counteroffensive operations may have degraded relatively more elite Russian Airborne (VDV) elements that were responsible for counterattacking in the area. Elements of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division’s 70th and 71st Guards Motorized Rifle Regiments have increasingly engaged in limited counterattacks near Novoprokopivka in the past week, and a Russian milblogger claimed that elements of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division pushed Ukrainian forces from positions near Novoprokopivka on September 25.

The 70th and 71st Motorized Rifle Regiments’ involvement in counterattacks around Novoprokopivka suggests that Ukrainian counteroffensive operations may have significantly degraded the combat capabilities of elements of the 7th and 76th VDV Divisions and that these VDV elements can no longer conduct all counterattacks along the entire Ukrainian breach in the Orikhiv direction. The Russian command may have committed the 70th and 71st Motorized Rifle Regiments to defending and counterattacking in the Novoprokopivka area to allow VDV elements to prioritize defensive operations on the western and eastern flanks of the Ukrainian salient in the Orikhiv direction.[10] It is also possible that elements of the 70th and 71st Motorized Rifle Regiments have held positions near Novoprokopivka since withdrawing from positions further north and are now engaging Ukrainian forces because the Ukrainian advance has reached the outskirts of Novoprokopivka. Roughly a month of respite and possible reconstitution are unlikely to offset the significant degradation that elements of the 70th and 71st Motorized Rifle Regiments suffered while defending earlier in the counteroffensive. Elements of the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (Black Sea Fleet) similarly defended to hold forwardmost defensive positions earlier in the counteroffensive, and Ukrainian counteroffensive operations recently reportedly rendered these elements combat ineffective

Elements of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division are reportedly deployed as far back as Tokmak, continuing to suggest that the Russian command has not manned the multi-echeloned defense in southern Ukraine in depth. Russian sources reported on September 25 and 26 that elements of the 71st Motorized Rifle Regiment’s 3rd Battalion were involved in an altercation with military police from the 70th Motorized Rifle Regiment in occupied Tokmak.[12] The presence of elements of the 70th and 71st Motorized Rifle Regiments in Tokmak suggests that Russian forces have deployed elements of these regiments throughout the multi-echeloned defense between the current frontline and Tokmak. Russian forces, however, appear to be continuing to deploy most of their combat power in western Zaporizhia Oblast to immediate frontline areas.[13] The deployment of the 70th and 71st Motorized Rifle Regiments as far back as Tokmak suggests that elements of the same Russian formations and units defending at forward positions are holding positions, likely in smaller numbers, in subsequent defensive layers. It is possible that unobserved elements of other Russian units and formations hold positions at rear defensive positions, although the current Russian manpower commitment to holding positions on the frontline indicates that this is unlikely.

Interethnic tensions appear to be sowing division between elements of the Russian 42nd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment defending against the Ukrainian counteroffensive in western Zaporizhia Oblast. Arsen Temiraev, a mobilized serviceman from the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania serving with the 70th Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment, posted a video on September 25 alleging that Russian military police of the 70th Regiment beat Temiraev and two other soldiers of the 71st Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment’s 3rd Battalion in Tokmak on September 24.[14] Temiraev claimed that the military police asked about his ethnicity before telling Temiraev that “Russia is for Russians.” Temiraev claimed that the military police beat him and the other servicemen because a Tokmak local alleged that the soldiers had sexually assaulted children, a crime that Temiraev denied having committed. Temiraev complained that he thought the “Nazis were on the other [Ukrainian] side, [but] it turns out they [the Nazis] are among us.”

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu discussed ongoing Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) efforts to increase Russian Airborne (VDV) Forces’ combat capabilities and add elements similar to those normally found in motorized rifle units to the VDV, likely to better align VDV elements with their current combat roles in Ukraine. Shoigu stated during a speech to the Russian Defense Ministry Board on September 26 that the Russian MoD is implementing measures to increase the Russian VDV’s combat potential by creating new airborne assault formations and increasing the VDV’s reconnaissance, strike, and fire capabilities.[24] Shoigu stated that the Russian MoD has nearly finished forming a fifth Russian VDV division, the 104th Airborne Assault (VDV) Division, and an additional parachute regiment subordinate to the Russian 106th Guards Airborne (VDV) Division.[25] Shoigu stated that the Russian MoD plans for all Russian VDV divisions to have a logistics brigade and repair and restoration battalions by the end of 2023.[26] Shoigu stated that Russian VDV divisions will be “completed” with an artillery brigade but did not specify a time frame for this addition
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3757 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:49 pm to
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Russian forces conducted a series of Shahed-131/136 drone strikes on port and military targets in Ukraine on the night of September 25-26. Ukrainian military officials reported that Russian forces launched 38 drones from Krasnodar Krai and Cape Chauda, Crimea, targeting Ukrainian port and border infrastructure and that Ukrainian air defenses shot down 26 drones.[31] Russian forces hit the Orlivka-Isaccea ferry crossing that connects Odesa Oblast and Romania, and Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Captain First Rank Nataliya Humenyuk denied speculations that the Russian drones crossed into Romanian territory.[32] Geolocated footage shows that Russian forces destroyed a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter aircraft at the Kulbakino airfield in Mykolaiv Oblast.[33]

Russian and Western sources largely claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) Commander Admiral Viktor Sokolov is alive after the Russian MoD posted footage of Sokolov allegedly attending a meeting on September 26, although the situation remains unclear at this time. Russian and Western sources largely speculated that footage posted by the Russian MoD on September 26 of Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu’s remarks at the Russian MoD Board meeting purportedly shows Sokolov attending via teleconference

The Russian MoD has reportedly recruited some former Wagner Group personnel for MoD-affiliated private military companies (PMCs) fighting in Ukraine, while negotiations between the reported Wagner leadership and the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) have allegedly stalled over disagreements concerning Wagner’s independence and cohesion. A reported Wagner-affiliated source claimed on September 26 that the Wagner Group is still operating in Africa and Belarus and that there are no plans to close the organization.[38] A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that former Wagner personnel that left the organization with Andrey Troshev (known under the callsign “Sedoy”) after Prigozhin’s rebellion have joined the MoD-affiliated “Redut” and “Volunteer Corps” PMCs and have begun to redeploy to the Bakhmut area in Ukraine.[39] The milblogger claimed that Troshev is trying to recruit Wagner personnel who are currently operating in Belarus, Africa, and the Middle East for Russian MoD-affiliated PMCs. The milblogger also claimed that Anton Yelizarov (known as “Lotos”) is now the head of Wagner and is negotiating with Rosgvardia about the inclusion of Wagner units within Rosgvardia. Yelizarov is reportedly resisting Rosgvardia’s condition that Wagner personnel sign individual contracts, which the milblogger complained would allow Rosgvardia to divide the Wagner units and send them to various areas. ISW previously reported that Russian State Duma deputies will reportedly propose a bill allowing Rosgvardia to include volunteer formations, and Yelizarov is likely pushing for Wagner personnel to be considered a distinct Rosgvardia volunteer formation


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Key Takeaways:

The tactical situation in Verbove remains unclear as Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 26.

Likely degraded elements of the Russian 58th Combined Arms Army’s 42nd Motorized Rifle Division are increasingly counterattacking in the Novoprokopivka area, suggesting that Ukrainian counteroffensive operations may have degraded relatively more elite Russian Airborne (VDV) elements that were responsible for counterattacking in the area.

Elements of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division are reportedly deployed as far back as Tokmak, continuing to suggest that the Russian command has not manned the multi-echeloned defense in southern Ukraine in depth.

Interethnic tensions appear to be sowing division between elements of the Russian 42nd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment defending against the Ukrainian counteroffensive in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Interethnic tensions may also threaten Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov’s broader standing within the Russian political sphere amid an ongoing controversy surrounding Kadyrov’s son.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu discussed ongoing Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) efforts to increase Russian Airborne (VDV) Forces’ combat capabilities and add elements similar to those normally found in motorized rifle units to the VDV, likely to better align VDV elements with their current combat roles in Ukraine.

Russian forces conducted a series of Shahed-131/136 drone strikes on port and military targets in Ukraine on the night of September 25-26.

Russian and Western sources largely claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) Commander Admiral Viktor Sokolov is alive after the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) posted footage of Sokolov allegedly attending a meeting on September 26, although the situation remains unclear at this time.

The Russian MoD has reportedly recruited some former Wagner Group personnel for MoD-affiliated private military companies (PMCs) fighting in Ukraine, while negotiations between the reported Wagner leadership and the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) have allegedly stalled over disagreements concerning Wagner’s independence and cohesion.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced in some areas on September 26.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:16 pm to
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Hateradedrink


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Number of Posts:486

Registered on:5/20/2023


Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38466 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:19 pm to
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share a link



LINK

:Its still real to me dammit:

Everyone is sick of this shite except those in their mother's basement fighting for democracy!

Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3180 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:33 pm to
So what’s up with Kadryov’s son? I missed it. That is one group of thugs that I wish would meet their demise.
Posted by foosball
Member since Nov 2021
1924 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:38 pm to
2 more years and another 200 billion will guarantee Ukrainian victory
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 10:39 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98454 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:48 pm to
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Chechen leader Kadyrov says he's proud of son for beating up prisoner

By Mark Trevelyan

September 25, 202311:27 AM CDTUpdated a day ago

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Sept 25 (Reuters) - The leader of Russia's Chechnya region, Ramzan Kadyrov, said on Monday he was proud of his teenage son Adam for beating up a prisoner accused of burning the Koran.

Kadyrov posted the comments on Telegram, accompanied by a clip in which a young man in khaki clothing is seen punching and kicking another man cowering in a chair before wrestling him to the floor and slapping him on the head.

The Chechen leader, who styles himself as a ruthless ally of President Vladimir Putin, said he was releasing the video to settle any doubts about whether the incident, first reported last month, had really taken place.

"He beat him, and he did the right thing," Kadyrov said.

"Without exaggeration, yes, I am proud of Adam's action," he said, adding that he respected the boy for acquiring "adult ideals of honour, dignity and defence of his religion."

The prisoner, Nikita Zhuravel, had complained about the attack to Russia's human rights ombudswoman, who said last month she had referred the issue to her counterpart in Chechnya.


LINK
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98454 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 11:49 pm to
Lots of buzz on Twitter/X that Ukraine is making a big push in the Tokmak direction.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3757 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:12 am to
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Everyone is sick of this shite except those in their mother's basement fighting for democracy


A) it was actually brought up a week ago when it happened

B) it is because Ukraine got pissy about Poland blocking the sale of grain not for whatever the hell you are trying to say

C) Poland has already come out since and said they are going to allow Ukraine to transit grain.

D) Poland clarified its comment and is still supplying Ukriane with arms

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But the country's president later said the comments had been misinterpreted in the "worst possible way".

Andrzej Duda said it was only new Polish weapons that would not be sent.



LINK
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2633 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:33 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
27 September 2023

Since mid-September 2023, Russia has highly likely committed elements of its new 25th Combined Arms Army (25 CAA) to action for the first time. The formation started moving into Ukraine from late August 2023.

Units from two of 25 CAA's manoeuvre components, 67th Motor Rifle Division and 164th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade, are reported to be fighting on the front in a sector west of Severodonetsk and Kreminna, along the border between Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

Since the start of the invasion, Russia has only rarely maintained an uncommitted army-size grouping which could potentially form the basis of a major new offensive thrust. With 25 CAA apparently being deployed piecemeal to reinforce the over-stretched line, a concerted new Russian offensive is less likely over the coming weeks.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
773 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 5:13 am to
Very interesting thread that looks at the PzH2000. Very long thread (54+) that delves into its development history, specifications and its use in Ukraine since they received them.

https://twitter.com/Jeff21461/status/1706381708524695656


Tartigami and Malcontent News looking at Russian logistics. Malcontent's thread makes some fairly bold claims about Russian military vehicles in rear areas are running out of fuel, though without presenting any factual evidence (which is relatively unusual for him.)

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1706737583634645015

https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/status/1706530462490038433
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12097 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 6:49 am to
Linking something from a week ago like its news

You should probably crawl back under your rock.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 6:50 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9727 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:37 am to
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You should probably crawl back under your rock.


He Errs a lot
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
1343 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:21 am to
the whole Poland/Ukraine drama has evolved like 3 different times since that original info.

Homie is just a low info voter
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
Member since Apr 2015
104228 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:01 am to
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But the country's president later said the comments had been misinterpreted in the "worst possible way".
Kinda like how the pro-Russia crowd interpreted the Nuland comments as a "CIA-led revolution".
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10557 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:05 am to
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Out!


So Poland is no longer shipping material to Ukraine? No longer allowing American material to flow in from Germany? No longer training UKA soldiers? No longer housing displaced civilian refugees? No longer treating UKA soldiers in its hospitals?

Apparently one of us is misinformed.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
3748 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:23 am to
Post up some links if you can
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19861 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:02 am to
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We know which side can sustain casualties longer.


Ukraine hasn't employed Russia's meat wave attacks probably for that reason.
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