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Why can't aTm fire Jimbo?

Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:09 am
Posted by linewar
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2021
349 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:09 am
I'm genuinely asking the question, not trolling. Aggys feel free to offer thoughts.

If LSU fires Coach O 1.5 seasons removed from the greatest season in CFB history due to going .500, and Auburn fires Harsin in his second season...I'm genuinely curious if there is any scenario where aTm does NOT fire Jimbo after 4-8 coming off repeated 8&4 seasons. In my opinion, if they lose this weekend to Auburn under interim Cadillac Williams, he doesn't fly home with the team.

(yes I also posted this in SECRant but I wasn't getting a lot of good responses, mainly trolling. I'm legitimately asking because I'm curious what others think)

Do they have to pay the entirety of the buyout immediately upon termination, or can it be arbitrated to be paid over several years? For their next hire, does the entirety of the guaranteed contract amount have to be put into escrow upon contract signing?

Posted by cajuntiger07
Down DA Bayou
Member since Jan 2009
4397 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:12 am to
89 Million to go away!
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30790 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:14 am to
Despite what they tell you, they are to poor to pay that buyout.
Posted by tgrmeat
Member since Sep 2020
4342 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:14 am to
I mean - they can. It would just cost them more than the GDP of 2/3 of the countries in the world.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
8575 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:17 am to
quote:

Why can't aTm fire Jimbo?


Something like 90 million reasons.
Posted by linewar
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2021
349 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:17 am to
quote:

89 Million to go away!


Last I heard it was $86M - still a lot of money - but does it have to be paid all at once upon termination, or can it be arbitrated over several years? I'm not sure if that level of detail of his contract is public, but it is a public university...

I'm thinking someone here may know more about the details.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:29 am to
Can't vouch for the accuracy, but this article lays it out:

Buyout details

quote:

For simplicity’s sake, let’s say Fisher is fired on Dec. 31 of this year. That means he will have $85,950,000 remaining on his contract. By February, he could expect to receive a lump sum of $21,487,500. Then, over the next nine years, an annual payment of $7,162,500, beginning sometime around July 2023.


This is fully guaranteed with no offsets. As it has been said, they just have to pay him and trust the guy who gave him this contract will hire the right guy (also for a shite ton of money)
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27723 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:29 am to
Why are people so obsessed with this

He’s not getting fired
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28363 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Last I heard it was $86M - still a lot of money - but does it have to be paid all at once upon termination, or can it be arbitrated over several years? I'm not sure if that level of detail of his contract is public, but it is a public university...

I'm thinking someone here may know more about the details.


Unless the extension changed terms other than simply increasing the length of the contract and annual salary, it appears he would be owed 25% of the remaining money within 60 days of the date of termination, with the remaining balance being paid in equal annual payment through the termination date of the contract (2031)

2018 Contract

Let's assume the remaining sum would be $86M. If the terms of the contract linked are still in place, he would be owed $21.5M in 60 days, with him being paid ~$7.1M a year through 2031 (again, presuming the terms of the original contract still apply). In practice, what would likely happen is Jimbo would negotiate a lump sum payment lower than the remaining $64M. Meaning, he would take, say, $50M today rather than wait 9 years to be paid the full $65M
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 10:38 am
Posted by bloupe2
Member since Apr 2011
2857 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:44 am to
LSU fans obsessions with Jimbo is getting cringe
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25004 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:55 am to
quote:

89 Million to go away!

They have assured us many, many times that they have more money than they know what to do with.

So what gives? $89M should be nothing to them.
Posted by linewar
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2021
349 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:03 am to
quote:


Unless the extension changed terms other than simply increasing the length of the contract and annual salary, it appears he would be owed 25% of the remaining money within 60 days of the date of termination, with the remaining balance being paid in equal annual payment through the termination date of the contract (2031)

2018 Contract

Let's assume the remaining sum would be $86M. If the terms of the contract linked are still in place, he would be owed $21.5M in 60 days, with him being paid ~$7.1M a year through 2031 (again, presuming the terms of the original contract still apply). In practice, what would likely happen is Jimbo would negotiate a lump sum payment lower than the remaining $64M. Meaning, he would take, say, $50M today rather than wait 9 years to be paid the full $65M


Thanks, I was hoping someone knew more or knew where to find it, and I got both.

Unless their financial resources are all smoke and mirrors, then aTm should be able to pay to make him go away if that's what they decide they want. I can't help but think that the AD who agreed to Sexton's extension carte blanche would likely also be on the chopping block.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65957 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:06 am to
quote:

89 Million to go away!


Won't they have to pay it one way or another? They are going to give him even more money to hire more coaches in an attempt to fix this.

I'd almost rather eat it and hire a young up and coming coach on the cheap if he keeps it up another season.
Posted by cajuntiger07
Down DA Bayou
Member since Jan 2009
4397 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:19 am to
AM isn't going to hire an up and comer. They will want a big name and to get a big name you will have to pony up ALOT of dough!
Posted by linewar
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2021
349 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:20 am to
quote:


Won't they have to pay it one way or another? They are going to give him even more money to hire more coaches in an attempt to fix this.



That's where I'm at - how far do you let this go if you're aTm? The loss at home to App State is what began the end of the Lloyd Carr era in Michigan - a much more storied era with far more wins and conference championships than the Jimbo era in CS. If they lose on the road to Auburn under an interim head coach with zero HC experience...

Rich people don't get rich by making bad financial decisions. Disregarding all the comments about Aggy not having the money - they've got the money, it's just...what do they want to spend it on? I guess it's a question of true ROI - keep throwing good money after bad because it's too expensive not to? It seems it would cost more in the long run to NOT do something - in recruiting, momentum, etc. I think it becomes exponential - the longer they wait, the more it will cost to get the next one even if it summarily costs less to get rid of the current one. They'll be laying out an incredible amount either way they go.

They really are stuck between the rock and the hard place. As an outsider, it's like watching a slowly-moving train crash.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90521 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Despite what they tell you, they are to poor to pay that buyout.


Agree.

Just because some fools on the secrant say money isn't a factor at their school doesn't make it so.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:21 pm to
Go ahead and fire him, and then hire the next greatest head coach. Unless he’s Nick saban A&M will always be A&M. A perpetual 7-5 and sometimes 8-4 football team. Not even buying the best recruiting class in history can change who they are.
Posted by GaTiger27
Member since Feb 2016
1546 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:51 pm to
They’re too poor
Posted by Mike the Tiger 1999
Weston, Florida
Member since Jul 2009
1854 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

A&M will always be A&M. A perpetual 7-5 and sometimes 8-4 football team. Not even buying the best recruiting class in history can change who they are.

moreover, A&M will always be lil bro

Little Brother Syndrome is incurable and intrinsic within a culture no matter how much sucess they have.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
11911 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 4:11 pm to
Because it would cost less money to buy Texas and Oklahoma out of their Big XII contract a year early than it would to buy out Jimbo Fisher.
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