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re: The case against Larry Fedora
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:15 pm to Prominentwon
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:15 pm to Prominentwon
quote:I think right now it's mostly that people don't want to even think about anyone past the top options. Personally I think the guy is a little bit of a hot head, but that doesn't mean he won't win games. I would be fine with him if it comes to it.
The case against Larry Fedora
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:16 pm to Taylor62085
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Valid point but would he make it at LSU to year 4 winning 8 or 9 games? He was status quo the first three years at both places.
well in theory it wouldnt take him as long at LSU
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:19 pm to Prominentwon
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So for you people that are hating the idea of Fedora, please explain yourself.
Do not like the idea. Believe there are better candidates with better resume's.
My concern about him is look at southern miss when he left. (his players that he recruited) He left it a dumpster fire much like petrino at Arkansas. Todd Monken re-built that program. The Southern Miss program was pretty good when fedora took over. When he left, not so much.
Secondly, he's getting a lot of credit for the number of wins last year. Check out the teams he beat. Not one finished in the top 25. He lost to the worst south Carolina team in quite some time. he's already lost to a below average Georgia team this year. His best win in his career is against a struggling FSU team this year.
To me, who have you beat? We are going to have to beat very good teams in the s.e.c. You better hire a guy who's an outstanding recruiter as much as a technical coach.
If we are going to give the resources of lsu that much credit, then Bryan Kelly and Jimbo would be much better options. Offensive minds, like fedora, that have made it to the championship game and beat some quality opponents. Give them outstanding d.c.'s and they can succeed. Jimbo has with stoops and Jeremy P. We know Jimbo and can recruit. Fedora, not so much.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:20 pm to Prominentwon
Remember what happened last time LSU hired a fellow that had been head coach at Southern Miss
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:21 pm to Prominentwon
how was he as OC in Florida? Legitimately asking
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:27 pm to BilJ
that was the Ron Zook era so....
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:34 pm to Taylor62085
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He is 70-40 as a HC with teams that were 65-50 before he got there. That is not a bad resume but it is a pretty marginal gain. I think you'd have to go pretty far down the list before you got to him. Top 30 coach maybe?
What's that say about the fanbase's current pick??
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:37 pm to dos crystal
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His best win in his career is against a struggling FSU team this year...who have you beat?.
If we are going to give the resources of lsu that much credit, then Bryan Kelly and Jimbo would be much better options....We know Jimbo and can recruit. Fedora, not so much.
Let me see if I have this straight: Jimbo can recruit better, and runs a better program, but Fedora is not a great coach because his only quality win is against Jimbo?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:39 pm to Prominentwon
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UNC hasn't won the ACC in football since 1980. Tar Heels were in the ACC Championship game in Fedoras 4th year.
That division is pathetic.
Maimi
Va Tech
Virginia
Ga Tech
Pitt
Duke
Every team from the SEC West would have won that division the last 4 years. Duke actually won the division two years ago. Duke. In football.
If you don't play Clemson/FSU/Louisville, makes it real easy to win 10 games on the year in that division when you're 3 toughest games of the year are against 5 loss teams.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:43 pm to Prominentwon
Maybe it's a matter of Fedora believing that his best chance to win in the ACC/CUSA is to have a great offense. That may change if he were to come to the SEC.
Fedora may be able to reel in talent at LSU that he never had a shot of getting at S. Miss or UNC. I don't care what your offensive philosophy is, you're not passing on 3 top 20 DT's in your own back yard. You're not passing on the ton of DBs the state produces. LSU can get those type of guys. UNC doesn't have the cache to do it.
Best case scenario is that Fedora would turn LSU into a better Ole Miss in terms of style of play. Only, LSU could get more and better defenders than Ole Miss.
Fedora may be able to reel in talent at LSU that he never had a shot of getting at S. Miss or UNC. I don't care what your offensive philosophy is, you're not passing on 3 top 20 DT's in your own back yard. You're not passing on the ton of DBs the state produces. LSU can get those type of guys. UNC doesn't have the cache to do it.
Best case scenario is that Fedora would turn LSU into a better Ole Miss in terms of style of play. Only, LSU could get more and better defenders than Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:45 pm to BilJ
2004 as OC at Florida 7-4 oerall and finished 4-4 in conf.
Scored 40+ 4 times
Scored 30+ 7 times
Charlie Strong was the DC on that 2004 team. Defense didn't look to strong back then
9–11–2004 Eastern Michigan* No. 11 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida PPV W 49–10 90,009
9–18–2004 No. 13 Tennessee No. 11 Neyland Stadium • Knoxville, Tennessee CBS L 28–30 109,061
9–25–2004 Kentucky No. 16 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida ESPN2 W 20–3 89,741
10–2–2004 Arkansas No. 16 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida CBS W 45–30 90,014
10–9–2004 No. 24 Louisiana State No. 12 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida ESPN L 21–24 90,377
10–16–2004 Middle Tennessee* No. 22 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida PPV W 52–16 90,018
10–23–2004 Mississippi State No. 19 Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, Mississippi JPS L 31–38 43,170
10–30–2004 No. 7 Georgia Alltel Stadium • Jacksonville, Florida CBS L 24–31 84,753
11–6–2004 Vanderbilt Vanderbilt Stadium • Nashville, Tennessee PPV W 34–17 32,716
11–13–2004 South Carolina Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida (HC) ESPN2 W 48–14 90,294
11–20–2004 No. 10 Florida State* Doak Campbell Stadium • Tallahassee, Florida ESPN W 20–13 84,223
12–31–2004 No. 14 Miami* No. 19 Georgia Dome • Atlanta (Peach Bowl) ESPN L 10–27 69,322
Scored 40+ 4 times
Scored 30+ 7 times
Charlie Strong was the DC on that 2004 team. Defense didn't look to strong back then
9–11–2004 Eastern Michigan* No. 11 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida PPV W 49–10 90,009
9–18–2004 No. 13 Tennessee No. 11 Neyland Stadium • Knoxville, Tennessee CBS L 28–30 109,061
9–25–2004 Kentucky No. 16 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida ESPN2 W 20–3 89,741
10–2–2004 Arkansas No. 16 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida CBS W 45–30 90,014
10–9–2004 No. 24 Louisiana State No. 12 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida ESPN L 21–24 90,377
10–16–2004 Middle Tennessee* No. 22 Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida PPV W 52–16 90,018
10–23–2004 Mississippi State No. 19 Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, Mississippi JPS L 31–38 43,170
10–30–2004 No. 7 Georgia Alltel Stadium • Jacksonville, Florida CBS L 24–31 84,753
11–6–2004 Vanderbilt Vanderbilt Stadium • Nashville, Tennessee PPV W 34–17 32,716
11–13–2004 South Carolina Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, Florida (HC) ESPN2 W 48–14 90,294
11–20–2004 No. 10 Florida State* Doak Campbell Stadium • Tallahassee, Florida ESPN W 20–13 84,223
12–31–2004 No. 14 Miami* No. 19 Georgia Dome • Atlanta (Peach Bowl) ESPN L 10–27 69,322
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:48 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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LSU fans just need to accept Dan Mullen its so obvious he's gonna be the one you end up with
I agree with this.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:52 pm to jrodLSUke
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Let me see if I have this straight: Jimbo can recruit better, and runs a better program, but Fedora is not a great coach because his only quality win is against Jimbo
Jimbo has a n.c. Bud. So a unknown u.a.b coach and u.l.m coach are better because they beat nick Saban. Gotcha. Come to me when fedora sniffs a NC
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:55 pm to RLDSC FAN
Dak is to Mullen as Favre is to Hallman.
Do not want
Do not want
Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I hate that offensive philosophy. I don't think I could watch it at lsu.
It's a bad fit. too drastic of a change.
I still say he's the bizarre miles. plays excruciatingly close games that are high scoring instead of low scoring.
that style of play just isn't football to me. no fun.
It's a bad fit. too drastic of a change.
I still say he's the bizarre miles. plays excruciatingly close games that are high scoring instead of low scoring.
that style of play just isn't football to me. no fun.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:12 pm to Prominentwon
The guy doesn't value defense or time of possession
ABSOLUTELY NOT
If you want that shite, go be a fan of a BIG 12 team. They are lighting it up with no defense what-so-ever
ABSOLUTELY NOT
If you want that shite, go be a fan of a BIG 12 team. They are lighting it up with no defense what-so-ever
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:41 pm to Prominentwon
He looks like a Geriatric version of Curley Hallman. His track record is very good but I don't want him. We can do better
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I knew him at Middle Tennessee. This has been his philosophy since at least 1999. He's not changing. MT had a fast paced offense, lots of points, but really put their defense in tough positions. He's a good coach but that philosophy is who he is. He's had a hard time recruiting defense and hiring defensive coaches because of his philosophy.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:00 pm to Prominentwon
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The case against Larry Fedora
He has Gene Cheez-it as his Def Coordinator, that type of coaching decision scares me.
Not crazy about it, but agree with some in this thread that in the end it will be Dan Mullen.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:21 pm to Prominentwon
Besides defense I'm concerned that his tempo can be disrupted by decent SEC defenses. In the second half of the FSU game, the Seminoles slowed the game down and were much more effective in stopping his offense.
While he was at OK State his offenses couldn't get going vs UT, OU, and even A&M.
I just don't know... My gut is telling me this would be a scary hire.
All his defenses have been terrible. I'm not sure if that's bc his offense is so fast or he didn't make the correct hires.
Chip Kelly offense was so fast in Philly that it ended up costing his job bc the defense never rested.
While he was at OK State his offenses couldn't get going vs UT, OU, and even A&M.
I just don't know... My gut is telling me this would be a scary hire.
All his defenses have been terrible. I'm not sure if that's bc his offense is so fast or he didn't make the correct hires.
Chip Kelly offense was so fast in Philly that it ended up costing his job bc the defense never rested.
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