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The case against Larry Fedora
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:45 pm
Lay it out for me. When people bring up Fedora, they're downvoted relentlessly. So for you people that are hating the idea of Fedora, please explain yourself.
Do you guys not take in consideration what type of resources he would have at LSU? Then consider how much improvement there's been since he's gotten to UNC.
He's 32-19 at UNC. Highest head coach winning percentage since Dick Crum from 78-87.
UNC hasn't won the ACC in football since 1980. Tar Heels were in the ACC Championship game in Fedoras 4th year.
Under Fedora, Southern Miss notched the four most prolific offensive seasons in its 100-year football history.His players also graduated at a higher rate than at any time in school history.
Wins at S. Miss -- 7, 7, 8, 12
Only issue would be maybe defense, but again, with the resources and the ability to hire the right coaches (or retain them), I wouldn't see that being an issue.
Do you guys not take in consideration what type of resources he would have at LSU? Then consider how much improvement there's been since he's gotten to UNC.
He's 32-19 at UNC. Highest head coach winning percentage since Dick Crum from 78-87.
UNC hasn't won the ACC in football since 1980. Tar Heels were in the ACC Championship game in Fedoras 4th year.
Under Fedora, Southern Miss notched the four most prolific offensive seasons in its 100-year football history.His players also graduated at a higher rate than at any time in school history.
Wins at S. Miss -- 7, 7, 8, 12
Only issue would be maybe defense, but again, with the resources and the ability to hire the right coaches (or retain them), I wouldn't see that being an issue.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 1:47 pm
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:48 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
Only issue would be maybe defense
Maybe?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:49 pm to Prominentwon
Simple, his name isnt Tom Herman. Thats who everyone on here has pretty much sold out for. Any other name will be attacked by Hermanites.
Until -IF- he is in Austin. Then theyll be all ears.
Until -IF- he is in Austin. Then theyll be all ears.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Only issue would be maybe defense
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Maybe?
Name the great defenders they have at either of those schools.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:52 pm to dbuchanon
I'm not neccessarily anti-Fedora under certain circumstances, but his defenses have been unequivocally bad and yes that is a legit concern
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:53 pm to dbuchanon
quote:UT is about to make our decision a little easier by snatching Herman.
Simple, his name isnt Tom Herman. Thats who everyone on here has pretty much sold out for.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:53 pm to dbuchanon
LSU fans just need to accept Dan Mullen its so obvious he's gonna be the one you end up with
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:53 pm to Prominentwon
I still think you go all out for Herman.
But I'm warming up to the Fedora possibility. I would hope he would have the sense to keep Aranda though. Aranda as DC is prolly good for 6-7 wins by itself
But I'm warming up to the Fedora possibility. I would hope he would have the sense to keep Aranda though. Aranda as DC is prolly good for 6-7 wins by itself
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:55 pm to Prominentwon
Because they want O or maybe Herman.
Fedora, while not super hyped, is a solid coach and would be above a 7-1 or 8-0 Ogeron honestly.
He isn't a Tier 1 coach, but if that small Tier 1 of Herman, Fisher, or Kelly don't work out/aren't possible, then I think he's in that next group that would be a totally sensible hire.
Fedora, while not super hyped, is a solid coach and would be above a 7-1 or 8-0 Ogeron honestly.
He isn't a Tier 1 coach, but if that small Tier 1 of Herman, Fisher, or Kelly don't work out/aren't possible, then I think he's in that next group that would be a totally sensible hire.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:56 pm to Prominentwon
Has been solid everywhere he's been - very similar to the early records of Saban/Miles
Larry Fedora
Southern Miss
7-6
7-6
8-5
12-2
North Carolina
8-4
7-6
6-7
11-3
Nick Saban
Michigan State
6-5
6-6
7-5
6-6
9-2
Les Miles
Oklahoma State
4-7
8-5
9-4
7-5
Larry Fedora
Southern Miss
7-6
7-6
8-5
12-2
North Carolina
8-4
7-6
6-7
11-3
Nick Saban
Michigan State
6-5
6-6
7-5
6-6
9-2
Les Miles
Oklahoma State
4-7
8-5
9-4
7-5
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:56 pm to Prominentwon
His daughter is cute:
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:57 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
He isn't a Tier 1 coach, but if that small Tier 1 of Herman, Fisher, or Kelly don't work out/aren't possible, then I think he's in that next group that would be a totally sensible hire.
You misspelled Petrino.
The 49ers aren't firing their coach for the 3rd year in a row and Chip isn't going back to college unless he has no other option.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:58 pm to ColeLSU
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I still think you go all out for Herman.
yeah our 1 shot is if we put on the full court press for him and Texas doesn't.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:59 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Because they want O
i would much rather Fedora than O unless we win the SEC.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:01 pm to Prominentwon
They had the ball for 10 minutes less than FSU on Saturday and blew a 3 TD lead. They easily could've lost. His defense is bad because of his offensive philosophy, which is pretty concerning and he doesn't seem to care.
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“I mean, anytime your defense is playing too many plays,” Fedora said. “Whatever that time is. Whenever they get worn down. But I don’t know, I’ll still take points over time of possession. So as long as we’re scoring points and we’re outscoring the opponent, we’re OK.”
That’s Fedora’s approach. It won’t change.
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Since Fedora became the head coach in 2012, UNC has never ranked higher than 108th in time of possession. And so Jones and his teammates on defense are used to this sort of thing. They understand that they’ll be on the field more often – and for longer stretches, especially, if they can’t stop the opposition.
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:03 pm to Wally Sparks
He is 70-40 as a HC with teams that were 65-50 before he got there. That is not a bad resume but it is a pretty marginal gain. I think you'd have to go pretty far down the list before you got to him. Top 30 coach maybe?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:04 pm to nvasil1
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“I mean, anytime your defense is playing too many plays,” Fedora said. “Whatever that time is. Whenever they get worn down. But I don’t know, I’ll still take points over time of possession. So as long as we’re scoring points and we’re outscoring the opponent, we’re OK.”
That’s Fedora’s approach. It won’t change.
quote:
Since Fedora became the head coach in 2012, UNC has never ranked higher than 108th in time of possession. And so Jones and his teammates on defense are used to this sort of thing. They understand that they’ll be on the field more often – and for longer stretches, especially, if they can’t stop the opposition.
This is a helpful philosophy at a Southern Miss or a North Carolina, but I don't know if this kind of thing is the right fit for an LSU. For all we know he may not bring that exact same philosophy here though.
I would be interesting to know how much what he does did or didnt change going from USM to UNC
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:07 pm to Taylor62085
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He is 70-40 as a HC with teams that were 65-50 before he got there. That is not a bad resume but it is a pretty marginal gain. I think you'd have to go pretty far down the list before you got to him. Top 30 coach maybe?
trended up and won at least 11 games by year 4 in both places. If he wins 11 again at UNC this year that's 3.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Valid point but would he make it at LSU to year 4 winning 8 or 9 games? He was status quo the first three years at both places.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:13 pm to Prominentwon
Well, considering the fanbase has already come to accept ed orgeron as head coach I may have to just get behind Fedora.
We're settling either way, might as well settle for someone who will light up the score board.
We're settling either way, might as well settle for someone who will light up the score board.
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