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re: So...people are jumping off the roof top with the Coach O hire...
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:19 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:19 am to H-Town Tiger
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there's no excuse for that terrible of a record at OM
Yes there is. It was Ole Miss. It was also 10 years ago.
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But we already know context is beyond your level of understanding and doesn't fit your pro O Herman hating agenda.
CEO went 6-2 at USC and 5-2 so far at LSU. Tom Herman went 4-3 in his last seven and wound up in 6th place in the AAC. 4th in his division while losing to Navy (16 point dog), SMU (23 point dog) and Memphis (5.5 point dog).
Yeah, but you're all about hiring Herman.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:19 am to The Egg
quote:YEP
sounds like alot of the miles era, if we being frank
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:19 am to Nissanmaxima
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Would you have been fired up if we would have hired either as the head coach? Why wasn't either of those coaches close to remotely being on the list or even mentioned as the next head coach here?
I would have loved Rhule or Taggart. Taggart has rebuilt two programs and had a ten win season, and is just now turning 40. Rhule turned around Temple, who has one of the worst programs historically in FBS. If O was in either of those positions, he wouldn't post winning records like O.
These coaches weren't on the list because our list went three deep. We were hell bent on O without even doing a search. By some measure I would have been super happy with Taggart and I would have been happy with Rhule. I think Taggart is going to be a star.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:20 am to Tiger Ree
quote:And he was the worst coach they have ever had.
Yes there is. It was Ole Miss
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:20 am to Tiger Ree
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Yes there is. It was Ole Miss.
you're just going to keep ignoring that O has the worst record ever at OM, aren't you?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:21 am to Tiger Ree
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CEO went 6-2 at USC and 5-2 so far at LSU.
Simple questions:
Was the overall strategy, playbook and gameplan at these two stops O's responsibility?
Was O responsible for all of the coaching hires involved in this?
When O was at Ole Miss:
Was the overall strategy, playbook, and gameplan O's responsibility?
Was O responsible for all of the coaching hires?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:22 am to The Egg
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i love how people just look at the overall record and assume coaches are shite because of it.
look at the progressions of each.
Rhule
2-10
6-6
10-4
10-3
Taggart
2-10
4-8
8-5
10-2
Now lets look at Ed Orgeron:
3-8 (1-7)
4-8 (2-6)
3-9 (0-8)
Nutt the following year: 9-4 (5-3)
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Orgeron's talent as a recruiter created a buzz among Rebel fans and drew national attention when Ole Miss' 2006 signing class ranked as high as fifteenth in the rankings. His 2007 recruiting class was also listed among the best in college football (#31 according to scout.com). However, his recruiting success did not translate to on the field performance. In 2007, Ole Miss was last in the SEC in scoring offense, turnover margin, rushing offense, rushing defense, punt returns, opponent first downs, red-zone offense, opponent third-down conversions, field goal percentage, time of possession and kickoff coverage.
The 2007 season was a historic one for Ole Miss. The Rebels went winless in the SEC for the first time since 1982 – 25 years. The Rebels, under Orgeron, ended the season at 3–9 (0–8 in SEC play).
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:22 am to Clockwatcher68
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There is no objective reasoning that says this was a good hire. This was Alleva's gut feeling that O would buck the odds. I hope it works out, but if it does it will have been blind luck.
I think Alleva has access to the LSU football program at any time. Could be he could see the changes after CEO took over. Could be he gave him credit for his accomplishments while running the team with a TE's coach running the offense.
I wouldn't think having the best evidence available to judge a coach running a program would be blind luck.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:22 am to Tiger Ree
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Yes there is. It was Ole Miss. It was also 10 years ago.
All of it is still relevant. The whole thing, his interim record and his Ole Miss coaching record is all still relevant.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:22 am to TheCaterpillar
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In 2007, Ole Miss was last in the SEC in scoring offense, turnover margin, rushing offense, rushing defense, punt returns, opponent first downs, red-zone offense, opponent third-down conversions, field goal percentage, time of possession and kickoff coverage.
The 2007 season was a historic one for Ole Miss. The Rebels went winless in the SEC for the first time since 1982 – 25 years. The Rebels, under Orgeron, ended the season at 3–9 (0–8 in SEC play).
he just needed 1 more year
signed,
Tiger Ree
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:23 am to Freauxzen
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Was the overall strategy, playbook, and gameplan O's responsibility?
He was certainly his own DC there, and was an abject failure at it.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:24 am to The Egg
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LSU should have won by 3tds
sounds like alot of the miles era, if we being frank
i guess Lsu fans will never be happy Enjoy being butthurt as frick
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:24 am to Tiger Ree
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It was Ole Miss.
he's the only multi-year head coach in the last 100 years of Ole Miss football to never have a winning record.
yeah, it was Ole Miss. but literally every other human being that ever tried was able to at least have a winning year.
he is statistically the worst head coach in the history of Ole Miss football.
he is their Curley Hallman.
Only Curley was more successful here than O was at Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:24 am to Tiger Ree
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I wouldn't think having the best evidence available to judge a coach running a program would be blind luck.
Except Alleva has a terrible track record hiring coaches. He nearly hired Karl Dorrell instead of David Cutcliffe.
If Alleva ran a search, he could have seen there were coaches like Taggart and Rhule available. That is my primary problem.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:24 am to OneMoreTime
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It's his only experience as a full time head coach. If you don't take that into consideration, you are a moron.
If you don't take into consideration how he turned both USC and LSU around after taking over, you are an IDIOT.
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I've got a hypothetical for you. What do you think Miles's record would've been over those last 7 games?
Worse. And he wouldn't have set offensive records like CEO. It definitely wouldn't have been fun and exciting to watch LSU play like they should have been all along.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:25 am to c on z
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He was certainly his own DC there, and was an abject failure at it.
His first two years. His last year he hired John Thompson.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:25 am to SDVTiger
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If you dont take the interim record into consideration you are a moron.
O's record Interim HC with the record of the teams he played. Sorry because looking at the quality of teams beaten doesn't fit the agenda
USC:
Wins
Arizona 8-5
Utah 5-7
Oregon State 7-6
Cal 1-11
Stanford 11-3 (#5 at time of game)
Colordao 4-8
Loses:
Notre Dame 9-4
UCLA 10-3
Please note these are USC's 2 biggest rivals
LSU:
Missouri 4-8
Southern Miss 6-6
Ole Miss 5-7
Arkansas 7-5
Texas A&M 8-4
Loses
Alabama 12-0
Florida 8-4
Please note these were the 2 most important games
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:26 am to Tiger Ree
quote:Who would he have lost to?
Worse
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:26 am to The Egg
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A) had no sustained success
B) had no big school experience
C) had lost too much in this current season
D) had to be perfect in order to be considered
yet they overlooked these very components when it came to Orgeron.
Losing two games while coaching LSU with one loss being to Alabama says otherwise. Did you watch any LSU games this year?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:26 am to Tiger Ree
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LSU gained 423 yards to UF's 270. LSU had 23 first downs to Uf's 14. I don't think LSU did as well against Wisconsin or Auburn.
What you're failing to realize is that this is pretty classic Orgeron. He has talent that plays hard for him, but they are undisciplined and make mental mistakes the entire game.
He's a terrible program manager and has no attention to detail.
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