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Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:01 pm to BayouBoogie
There is nothing wrong with what I stated
DiNardo was Offense, he was OC at Colorado he played OL at Notre Dame before going to Vandy
Saban was a DB and DC before being a HC
Miles was a OL TE coach along with playing OL
Orgeron was a DL coach.
Yes the general rule is they like to go opposite side of ball when making hires.
DiNardo was Offense, he was OC at Colorado he played OL at Notre Dame before going to Vandy
Saban was a DB and DC before being a HC
Miles was a OL TE coach along with playing OL
Orgeron was a DL coach.
Yes the general rule is they like to go opposite side of ball when making hires.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:30 pm to sms151t
Your confusing offensive position coach with offensive minded coach. Both Miles and Orgeron were CEO types, they had never led an offense or defense. Couldn’t call the right play if their life depended on it.
Nobody’s ‘eenie meenie miney mo’ing’ this hire as you suggest.
Nobody’s ‘eenie meenie miney mo’ing’ this hire as you suggest.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:33 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:I think this is outdated thinking. Dabo Swinney would do very well here and he is the CEO Coach poster child...he has shown he can recruit and hire good coordinators. I would take him in a heartbeat...
One key metric in this process: HC with a specialty
Scott was not looking for another CEO type coach. Stability has everything to do with a HC truly understanding one side of the ball.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:36 pm to Chicken
The problem with CEO types is the staff volatility. Your paying top dollar for good OCs/DCs and if they leave the process starts all over again.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:40 pm to BayouBoogie
quote:Every coach at a major school is paying top dollar for coordinators who are at risk of leaving if they do well (or bad)...volatility is still the same.
Your paying top dollar for good OCs/DCs and if they leave the process starts all over again.
Ed made a lazy hire with Pelini...and he paid it when he struggled to find coordinators to coach for him last year. If Ed makes a good DC hire after the 2019 season, he is probably still here.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:42 pm to CharlesLSU
It’s going to be Luke MF Fickell….
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:44 pm to Chicken
Let’s look at this:
Kirby can go cheap on DC and spend on offense
Saban can go cheap on DC and spend on offense
Riley can go cheap on OC and spend on defense
On the other side:
Dabo’s saving grace is VenAbles. The highest paid DC in country. And they’re 5-3. Now He can’t go cheap or miss on an OC again.
Kirby can go cheap on DC and spend on offense
Saban can go cheap on DC and spend on offense
Riley can go cheap on OC and spend on defense
On the other side:
Dabo’s saving grace is VenAbles. The highest paid DC in country. And they’re 5-3. Now He can’t go cheap or miss on an OC again.
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:47 pm to Chicken
quote:
I think this is outdated thinking. Dabo Swinney would do very well here and he is the CEO Coach poster child...he has shown he can recruit and hire good coordinators. I would take him in a heartbeat...
Yeah I think people knocking "CEO" coaches because of Ed are misguided. Ed was just a bad CEO. He couldn't hire, didn't know how to put program infrastructure in place, and created a toxic culture because of his personality. Nick Saban is the GOAT because he is the GOAT CEO coach. The specialty is a plus but not as important as the other stuff.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:49 pm to Chicken
I don’t disagree on Dabo but he’s a unicorn in that regard.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:50 pm to sms151t
quote:
Yes the general rule is they like to go opposite side of ball when making hires.
Completely irrelevant. You hire the best coach you can.
LSU offered Herman and Jimbo, before settling for Orgeron. Two offensive coaches.
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:53 pm to LSUminati
‘The specialty’ allows him to be a great CEO, because he can vet out all of the BS (i.e. Matt Canada).
Saban can properly vet offensive coaching candidates in the film room and on the whiteboard.
Saban can properly vet offensive coaching candidates in the film room and on the whiteboard.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:54 pm to BayouBoogie
Exactly
Posted on 11/2/21 at 1:56 pm to CharlesLSU
Dave Aranda with Jeff Grimes coming along as the OC and let’s ride
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:17 pm to Chicken
quote:
I think this is outdated thinking. Dabo Swinney would do very well here and he is the CEO Coach poster child...he has shown he can recruit and hire good coordinators. I would take him in a heartbeat...
Depending on the perspective, I'd say Kelly, more than Dabo, is the CEO poster child. Dabo hasn't had to do what most CEOs have to do: replace their coordinators.
Obviously every CEO would love to be in Dabo's position of being able to keep an elite coordinator for a decade who just refuses to leave for whatever reason, so to that end he is a poster child. But it's also sort of cheating, because short of blackmail, that's a once-in-a-lifetime circumstance. The true mark of a CEO coach is someone who can deal with the turnover that comes with success.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:20 pm to Ocardowin
Kelly at least had some DC experience.
O couldn't do it...Miles, to an extent, was not good at it...although he lucked out with Aranda.
quote:no one does this better than Saban...
The true mark of a CEO coach is someone who can deal with the turnover that comes with success.
O couldn't do it...Miles, to an extent, was not good at it...although he lucked out with Aranda.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:26 pm to BayouBoogie
That was always my main negative regarding O and the CEO model, how does he know what a good coordinator is?
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:36 pm to Chicken
quote:
Kelly at least had some DC experience.
its funny, his initial expierence was on defense but he has been more on the offensive side since becoming a HC in 91 and in later years at GVSu, CMU and then cincy called most of the plays.
to those that think BK may leave ND
read this quote and understand how much it means for a Boston Irish Catholic to coach ND
quote:
Kelly was born in Everett, Massachusetts, and was raised in a Catholic Irish-American family in Chelsea, Massachusetts.[3] He attended St. John's Preparatory School in Danvers, Massachusetts. His father was a Boston politician.[4]
to them it is like a cajun dreaming of coaching LSU.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:48 pm to Chicken
No one does it better than Saban because Saban is a master of both sides of the ball, but especially defense.
You can be a master CEO and still specialize.
You can be a master CEO and still specialize.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:57 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:Agreed... but with a caveat.
Scott was not looking for another CEO type coach. Stability has everything to do with a HC truly understanding one side of the ball.
Relying completely on coordinators in a vacuum was NOT going to happen again.
The caveat is they still have to want quality coaches on their side of the ball. There have been too many times where, for example, an [so-called] offensive genius will hire as an OC what is simply an assistant and isn't qualified to be an OC.
This hurts, eventually, in 3 ways:
1. Recruiting. You need all hands on deck. There's not enough days, hours, miles, and dollars to recruit all you want. Having a coordinator that is seen as lackluster going out and trying to fill that role of someone who isn't lackluster and is known for what he was hired to do helps alot.
2. On the field... by way of adjustments game-to-game. These geniuses get tied to systems and can't get out of the mold. Petrino, Malzahn, etc. When teams adjust they need a sounding board to get them out of that and be fluid with the opponent.
3. Focus- over time their focus, especially when things start to go bad, will get tighter and tighter on their specialty. It is a "comfort zone" thing. And the other aspects of running a program tend to suffer. By NOT being the SOLE holder/chief of that side of the ball (having a qualified OC in my example) there's somebody to pick up that slack.
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