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re: Belowpar, Will Crowton and Coach Stud be back next year?

Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by PHXTigers
Arizona
Member since Dec 2007
780 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:11 pm to
Belowpar, is the buyout REALLY an issue??

All offensive(excluding D.J.)coaches were given raises and contract extensions.

The Assistant Coaches received contract extensions on their contracts that were approved by the Board of Supervisors in October 2009. The contracts were retroactive with a start date of January 1, 2009 – December 31, 2011 for Crowton and Porter and were January 1, 2009 – March 31, 2011 for Robinson and Studrawa.


Thanks,

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Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46027 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

if it all works out then I think he'll get one


it all being what? finances? finding a suitable replacement? both? neither?
Posted by belowpar
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
1005 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:16 pm to
I think 900k is a fairly big amount to buy out an offensive coordinator. The amount of money by itself probably isn't all "that" much, but when you gotta pay 900k to buyout a coordinator then hire another, thats a pretty damn expensive offensive coordinator.

Will this be something that influences the final decision, probably not, but it is being talked about.
Posted by PHXTigers
Arizona
Member since Dec 2007
780 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:19 pm to
Kool. Thanks Belowpar. I don't know who you know, but, like you, and it's not wishful thinking, I feel that Crowton will not be on the staff next year. CM knows what the problems are on the team, and he will fix them as he did last year with the defense. All things being equal.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26258 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 5:41 pm to
Thanks Belowpar.

quote:

Doesn't Miles owe it to Crowton to make a decision? Either he wants to make a change or he doesn't. Where's the gray area?


I don't think the quote above is on target. I could imagine that Crowton already knows the direction Miles WANTS to head and what MIGHT becoming down the pike. It very well could be that Crowton is looking for another job right now and that nothing will be done offically until Crowton secures another job.

Maybe if Crowton doesn't get a head coaching job somewhere then LSU keeps him for another year. If he leaves to be the head coach somewhere then there is no buy out to worry about.

Les Miles has always tried to help coaches that he is letting go, just like he has alway never stood in the way of players that want to leave.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 6:16 pm to
How quickly after the bowl game will the desired changes be made?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 6:41 pm to
quote:

How quickly after the bowl game will the desired changes be made?


Nobody knows. There MIGHT NOT be any more changes.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26258 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:25 pm to
But we do know there is a "Want" or Les wouldn't have been looking at replacements. Where there is a "Want" the is a "Way"!
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28269 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:01 pm to
quote:

But we do know there is a "Want" or Les wouldn't have been looking at replacements.


This alone makes me very happy, the fact that there is at least a process underway to rectify the situation.

That said, it could backfire and be very disappointing if we go into 2010 with Crowton. If Miles is obviously exploring other options, it would not make me feel good that he couldn't make it happen and we're "stuck" with Crowton in 2010. The fact that Miles is exploring other options doesn't make me feel good about them working together, getting along and putting together a cohesive offense in 2010.
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37577 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

I think 900k is a fairly big amount to buy out an offensive coordinator


If Miles wants to hire a new OC and is not allowed too over a $900k buyout, then someone(s) in high places wants him to fail.
Posted by PHXTigers
Arizona
Member since Dec 2007
780 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

if Miles wants to hire a new OC and is not allowed too over a $900k buyout, then someone(s) in high places wants him to fail.


AMEN!!
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
24486 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 10:46 pm to
Yes.

There is definitely some that feel why should we bail him out two years in a row with that salary, in addition to his own albatross of a buyout.

The only way Crowton stays, is if the buyout is refused, IMO. I think all involved would like to see this thing get turned around, but there are some that won't be disappointed if the alternative happens and believe if given enough rope, he'll wrap it around his neck.
Posted by Pleasenewdc
Member since Oct 2008
1563 posts
Posted on 12/14/09 at 10:46 pm to
quote:

I think 900k is a fairly big amount to buy out an offensive coordinator. The amount of money by itself probably isn't all "that" much, but when you gotta pay 900k to buyout a coordinator then hire another, thats a pretty damn expensive offensive coordinator. Will this be something that influences the final decision, probably not, but it is being talked about.


So, does that mean we only hire a big name guy or no one at all?
Posted by PHXTigers
Arizona
Member since Dec 2007
780 posts
Posted on 12/15/09 at 8:49 am to
Miles said there are no future coaching changes on the horizon as far as he knows.

"As need arises, but I hope I'm done," he said.

Miles Finished with Coaching Changes?
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/15/09 at 9:13 am to
quote:

"As need arises, but I hope I'm done," he said


in Miles-speak that probably means there is a good possibility of additional changes..
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26258 posts
Posted on 12/15/09 at 10:06 am to
Could also mean GC stays and Stub could potentially go with Porter.
Posted by vegas4LSU
south la.
Member since Mar 2007
138 posts
Posted on 12/15/09 at 4:53 pm to
Belowpar definately can't be questioned but I hate to tell you that Crowton and Stud will both be back next year. If Porter and Gonzales both coach in the bowl game and Wilson does not then I stand behind my sourses.
Posted by DEG
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2009
10750 posts
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

I don't think the quote above is on target. I could imagine that Crowton already knows the direction Miles WANTS to head and what MIGHT becoming down the pike. It very well could be that Crowton is looking for another job right now and that nothing will be done offically until Crowton secures another job. Maybe if Crowton doesn't get a head coaching job somewhere then LSU keeps him for another year. If he leaves to be the head coach somewhere then there is no buy out to worry about. Les Miles has always tried to help coaches that he is letting go, just like he has alway never stood in the way of players that want to leave.


So Les is only going to make a change if GC finds a job somewhere else? Belowpar suggested that Miles is not clear on what he wants to do, and that ultimately the buyout is not going to be deal breaker. Either all parties know he's gone, and GC is actively searching, or all parties know he's staying, and no search is taking place. How can there be any middle ground on this? Again - this assumes that the buyout is, in fact, not a major obstacle to Miles' decision.
Posted by Hootie
BR
Member since Aug 2007
2126 posts
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

but when you gotta pay 900k to buyout a coordinator then hire another, thats a pretty damn expensive offensive coordinator.


I don't disagree, but Crowton's contract is probably the same as Miles, in that LSU pays the buyout over the span of years, probably 5-10 years, and probably has a cap on how much they have to pay each year. And it probably has an obligation for Crowton to mitigate the damages by not turning down a reasonable job offer, which offsets the buyout. So it's a lot of money, but from a cash flow standpoint, its more affordable. It is this "installment" option LSU has that provides the leverage to negotiate a lump sum buyout at a lower price. Just like a lottery payout.
This post was edited on 12/15/09 at 5:31 pm
Posted by SS4LSU
Member since Sep 2007
370 posts
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

How can there be any middle ground on this?


Well Miles maybe want him gone only if he KNOWS for sure he can get someone better. Now everyone thinks they know someone better, but what it sounds like by reading BP's posts are he would like to make a change, but not just for the sake of making a change.

We have to remember that JJ and the entire offense would potentially have to learn a new offense thus creating a potential set back.

I think it is more complicated than Crowton sucks get rid of him. Plus Crowton looked like a pretty good hire and now.....not so much. So who is to say the next guy is the same way. Maybe Miles is thinking next year JJ will have the offense down more which would = better productivity along with a better D.

To be honest, I am not very supportive of keeping Crowton, but I would rather keep him versus than getting somebody else who is as bad or worse.
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