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re: Belowpar, Will Crowton and Coach Stud be back next year?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:59 pm to TigerSage55
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:59 pm to TigerSage55
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Contrary to popular belief, Coach Miles is more a Big 12 want to pass 60/40 vs. run. Yes he Coached in Big 10 but he is more pass happy than most think.
i formation, up the gut-based offenses while at LSU do not compute with this statement
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You really post as if you've never seen a game.
i formation, up the gut-based offenses while at LSU do not compute with this statement
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i formation, up the gut-based offenses while at LSU do not compute with this statement
funny that we had our best seasons with that offense. (01, 03, 05, 07)
Look at Crowton's new "spread" bullshite. 08 & 09. GIVE ME SOME I-frickING FORM!
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:06 pm to Moustache
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funny that we had our best seasons with that offense. (01, 03, 05, 07)
2001 was not running based. you don't have a WR get almost 2,000 yards with a running offense
2007 had a lot of spread, but some offensive failures (see: UK)
our offense in 2003 picked up mainly with the single back offense with outside runs, not inside runs
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Look at Crowton's new "spread" bullshite.
crowton is a spread OC. our most successful offenses under him have been mainly based on the spread
the i-form is from jimbo's playbook
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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crowton is a spread OC. our most successful offenses under him have been mainly based on the spread
The spread has been a colossal failure at LSU.
At least under Jimbo we could always depend on the run somewhat.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:14 pm to Moustache
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The spread has been a colossal failure at LSU.
did you watch the national title game?
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At least under Jimbo we could always depend on the run somewhat.
until this year, when les's OL recruits/switches assumed 4/5 of the OL, we ran just fine under crowton
black - saban recruit
helms - saban recruit
herm - saban recruit
josh D, t-bob, hitt (move to OL), and barksdale = les recruits
once our OL became populated by a majority of les's recruits and DL switches, our OL went to shite
that's bad recruiting/development by les
scott ran just fine last year
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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did you watch the national title game?
LOL
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until this year, when les's OL recruits/switches assumed 4/5 of the OL, we ran just fine under crowton
Crowton's history and resume disagree with you. His playcalling becomes predictable and it turns to shite after year 2.
Crowton can't develop a QB. I agree about the OL, but Crowton's playcalling is tardtastic AT BEST.
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scott ran just fine last year
against cupcakes.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:18 pm to Moustache
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against cupcakes.
bama was no cupcake
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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bama was no cupcake
How come Keiland does a much better job than Scott this year? Scott got slower and lost a LOT of vision.
The oline play has been awful.
I still don't see how you can defend CROWTON who has the offense at 107th in the country.
BYU alums and Oregon warned us Crowton's playcalling would become predictable and incoherent.
Ask Rich ROd how his spread team is going? Waht about the rest of the country? UF hasn't even been that explosive.
The spread is being caught up to and is getting to be old news. It'll shift back to pro-style like it ALWAYS does.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:26 pm to Moustache
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How come Keiland does a much better job than Scott this year?
same reason as in 2006
he can cutback like scott can't, and he's an outside threat. perfect option for an OL that can't open big holes
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I still don't see how you can defend CROWTON
i'm not. i'm defending the spread
crowton needs to go
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Ask Rich ROd how his spread team is going?
his offense (with a true freshman QB) is going fine. his defense sucks
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UF hasn't even been that explosive.
lost their main peg harvin and meyer has been calling the game very conservative this year
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The spread is being caught up to and is getting to be old news.
that's why texas tech just plugs in another QB, OL, and WRs and keeps on passing on everyone?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:39 pm to The Egg
TigerSage is Alleva's golf pro.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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once our OL became populated by a majority of les's recruits and DL switches, our OL went to shite
That doesn't make much since, seeing as how Les was an O-lineman. You'd think he'd have a better eye for linemen.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Black is a run blocker, who doesn't have the feet to be a LT.
until this year, when les's OL recruits/switches assumed 4/5 of the OL, we ran just fine under crowton
black - saban recruit
helms - saban recruit
herm - saban recruit
josh D, t-bob, hitt (move to OL), and barksdale = les recruits
once our OL became populated by a majority of les's recruits and DL switches, our OL went to shite
that's bad recruiting/development by les
scott ran just fine last year
OL has been a huge problem, but it isn't because of recruiting. I think we have a well stocked OLine, they just aren't developing. Last year, our OLine should have overwhelmed EVERYONE on our schedule. Coach Stud is a bust.
Crowton has run I-Form in every offense he has run, with the exception of his last days in BYU. He is a multi-form OC with a Spread focus, not exclusively spread.
I agree with the guy who said lack of I-Form running has been a huge issue, not because of the spread's ineffectiveness, but because of the type of OL we have assembled. Lack of a commitment to the run has been more of an issue.
I stated before that our OC doesn't seem to ever have a cohesive plan for our opponents. He just pulls random plays out of a hat (maybe why he is called the wizard?) and calls them.
Our recruiting has been amazing since Les showed up. To say otherwise is exceedingly ignorant. We have recruited OLineman as well as almost anyone.
We just don't develop them at all.
There may be a number of coaches I'd rather have than Les, but I don't see anything he's doing wrong other than making some poor assistant selections.
If we had a better OL coach last year, we probably play in a BCS Bowl. This year, we'd be undefeated.
Our problems seem to be:
1)Stud
2)Crowton
3)Brick
4)Moffit (just my opinion)
5)Miles
People blaming Miles for the OLine failing the last 2 years is like blaming Obama for the Fed's interest rate.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:06 pm to MeachemManiac
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Crowton has run I-Form in every offense he has run, with the exception of his last days in BYU
yeah rattay passed for 5,000 yards out of the i-form
and oregon ran tons of spread option out of the i-form
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Our recruiting has been amazing since Les showed up. To say otherwise is exceedingly ignorant. We have recruited OLineman as well as almost anyone.
based on recruiting services who often bump up guys LSU offers b/c they assume miles knows what he's doing
our OL and DL have a severe lack of talent
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You are twisting my words. . .but you know that.
yeah rattay passed for 5,000 yards out of the i-form
and oregon ran tons of spread option out of the i-form
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based on recruiting services who often bump up guys LSU offers b/c they assume miles knows what he's doing
That's a slippery slope you are walking right now. You know where the logical conclusion leads. You aren't that naive.
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our OL and DL have a severe lack of talent
No.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:39 pm to MeachemManiac
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You are twisting my words. . .but you know that.
no i'm not
you said he used a lot of i everywhere except BYU
he didn't use i-form AT ALL at la tech, and UO was a spread option team
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No.
josh D, t-bob, hitt, alexander, woods, and pep are not that talented
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he didn't use i-form AT ALL at la tech
yeah he did. it wasn't that prevalent, but I saw a few running plays outta the I when I looked at some LT highlights on youtube. I was kinda surprised.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes you are. Watch this.
no i'm not
Blink and you could miss it.
You say:
quote:I said:
you said he used a lot of i everywhere except BYU
he didn't use i-form AT ALL at la tech, and UO was a spread option team
quote:Subtle difference.
Crowton has run I-Form in every offense he has run, with the exception of his last days in BYU. He is a multi-form OC with a Spread focus, not exclusively spread.
But anyways:
LINK
quote:Hmm. So as he is implementing it. . .there was. . .uhhh. . .I-formation
EUGENE Oregon offensive coordinator Gary Crowton says the Ducks are trying to mold players into playmakers this spring and “trying to create matchup problems.”
It made sense, then, to introduce Dante Rosario into more of an important role in the Ducks’ offense.
The athletic Dayton High product has moved to tight end, well, kind of. He will still do some fullback duties blocking from the I-formation, for instance as he has done for the past two seasons in Oregon’s traditional offensive sets.
But with Crowton implementing the new spread offense, which emphasizes putting players into open space and allowing them to use athleticism, Rosario will find himself at the line of scrimmage more. He’ll play the “Y” tight end, or the player split out from the offensive line in the slot, and some “H,” the player blocking next to the tackle.
Really hard to find info or much footage of his time at LA Tech on youtube, so I concede that much.
quote:I think they were wasted here. I think all of the above were highly sought out of HS. If you are basing it on college production, I covered that in my rant regarding the assistants.
josh D, t-bob, hitt, alexander, woods, and pep are not that talented
T-Bob, Alexander, and Al Woods had pretty impressive offer sheets for guys that were "not that talented".
They are very talented, they just haven't developed well.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 11:01 pm to MeachemManiac
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Our problems seem to be:
1)Stud
2)Crowton
3)Brick
4)Moffit (just my opinion)
5)Miles
Brick has been here for less than one full year. I know the d-line has underperformed, but I wouldn't list him as a problem just yet.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 11:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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bama was no cupcake
mt cody wasn't healthy last year
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