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Should I read Howard Zinn’s “ people’s history of the United States”?
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:32 pm
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:41 pm to selfgen
Zinn's interpretation of history is intentionally biased, and he is upfront about his perspective being informed by Marxist ideology. He focuses on the struggle between different social classes and believes that marginalized groups have been systematically oppressed by powerful elites throughout American history. Rather than striving for objectivity, Zinn presents a deliberately partial perspective that seeks to illuminate the experiences and struggles of these marginalized groups. As Zinn himself acknowledges in the introduction of the book...
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I prefer to try to tell their [the oppressed] story with as little subjective distortion as possible, but with my own ideology: not neutrality, but the will to power of the subjugated.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:33 am to TAMU-93
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I prefer to try to tell their [the oppressed] story with as little subjective distortion as possible, but with my own ideology: not neutrality, but the will to power of the subjugated.
Sounds fricking awful.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:57 pm to boxcarbarney
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Sounds fricking awful.
It is.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:42 am to selfgen
Yes, it’s OK to read biased histories to gain a wider perspective. I think it’s completely possible to read the accounts of atrocities/injustices while stopping short of vilifying the entire US ideology.
Ideally, you’d contrast his stories with the struggles of the “bad guys” as well. Along with the atrocities committed by “people’s governments.”
It’s a delicate balance to understand viewpoints of history without getting indoctrinated.
Ideally, you’d contrast his stories with the struggles of the “bad guys” as well. Along with the atrocities committed by “people’s governments.”
It’s a delicate balance to understand viewpoints of history without getting indoctrinated.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:08 am to selfgen
quote:I mean, not all of it is dogshit.
Should I read Howard Zinn’s “ people’s history of the United States”?
But it is important to note that it is a work of historical fiction.
If you read it, make sure to use this as a quick reference
Posted on 3/8/23 at 10:43 am to selfgen
No bruh
They should change the name to “Israel’s history of the United States”
It’s all anti American propaganda and it’s disgusting they made us read it in high school
ETA: check out the first line of Howard zinns “early life” section on Wikipedia lol
They should change the name to “Israel’s history of the United States”
It’s all anti American propaganda and it’s disgusting they made us read it in high school
ETA: check out the first line of Howard zinns “early life” section on Wikipedia lol
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:02 pm to el Gaucho
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disgusting they made us read it in high school
Seriously? What year?
I read it a few years after college in a “know thine enemy” kind of tone. Surprised it was required reading
Posted on 3/10/23 at 10:49 am to selfgen
No, read this instead:
Posted on 3/10/23 at 12:56 pm to LSUfan20005
This advice is apparently too nuanced for some. I have this in the Q along with 100s of others, but haven’t gotten around to reading it yet. I just find it interesting how much was left out of the American (as well as world) history in general. Part of that is just more has come to light as well as different perspectives have had a chance to be heard. I think it is very important for US citizens to understand its current prominence isn’t really about some innate exceptionalism, but has a lot to do with luck and circumstance as well. It is always good to step out of one’s preferred bubble and look back at what is on the other side.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 11:12 pm to selfgen
Yes. But also read several different points of view. In my humble opinion, Zinn's take is not only existentially horrific, it is intellectually weak af, based on documentation.
Similar to Said's Orientalism, Zinn is important in understanding the Leftist ideology toward history, and the foundational texts it is based on. Regardless of your personal ideology, it is important to understand where they are coming from.
Similar to Said's Orientalism, Zinn is important in understanding the Leftist ideology toward history, and the foundational texts it is based on. Regardless of your personal ideology, it is important to understand where they are coming from.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 5:21 pm to selfgen
Da, Comrade
Posted on 3/15/23 at 6:10 pm to tigahbruh
The guy comes from a family of Socialists
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:51 am to PassingThrough
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I just find it interesting how much was left out of the American (as well as world) history in general.
Howard Zinn's book has been the single most influential historical work in this country for the last four decades. Many history curriculums in high school and collegiate academia have adopted conclusions formed from that book.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 11:46 am to RollTide1987
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Zinn's interpretation of history is intentionally biased, and he is upfront about his perspective being informed by Marxist ideology.
quote:In other words, curriculums and academia have adopted anti-intellectuality and rote as method. Good to know.
Many history curriculums in high school and collegiate academia have adopted conclusions formed from that book.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:29 am to RollTide1987
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Howard Zinn's book has been the single most influential historical work in this country for the last four decades. Many history curriculums in high school and collegiate academia have adopted conclusions formed from that book.
That explains a lot about how public education has turned into nothing more than indoctrination in that time frame. Subversives gonna subvert.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/2/23 at 5:25 am to selfgen
I read half of it and threw it away. It’s absolute bullshite, I don’t care what Will Hunting says. Lol
Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:09 pm to tigahbruh
But why did his book reach such prominence?
Haven't looked into it but was it just part of the liberal takeover of the education institutions?
Haven't looked into it but was it just part of the liberal takeover of the education institutions?
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