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Youtube TV is going nuclear on Roku

Posted on 5/7/21 at 2:00 pm
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 2:00 pm
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A week after their broken-down negotiations spilled into the public, Google and Roku still haven’t been able to reach a deal to renew YouTube TV’s presence on the huge streaming platform. But Google has come up with something of a workaround in the meantime: it’s going to let people access YouTube TV directly from the main YouTube app.

YouTube users will start seeing a “Go to YouTube TV” option in the main YouTube app over the next few days. When they select that, they’ll then be switched over to the standard YouTube TV user experience. This option is coming to Roku devices first — where it’s currently most needed — but will also come to YouTube on other platforms as well.




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In essence, Google has basically stuffed the YouTube TV app into YouTube itself, a solution that seems unlikely to make Roku very happy. The Verge has reached out to Roku for comment. Google says it’s “still working to come to an agreement with Roku to ensure continued access to YouTube TV for our mutual customers,” and it notes the YouTube TV app remains usable for those who already have it installed.

But in the event that things totally fall apart, Google says it’s “in discussions with other partners to secure free streaming devices in case YouTube TV members face any access issues on Roku.”
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 2:01 pm
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 2:24 pm to
Okay, but honestly, who does Roku think they are?
Posted by bbap
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 4:12 pm to
Yeah i don't care too much about this argument, but it does seem like Google holds the cards.
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:15 pm to
I seem to recall a place and time when Microsoft was sued by the US government in an anti-trust case won by the government to break up their bundling of Microsoft's commingling of the code of its operating system with its Internet Explorer browser.

How is this any different?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:12 pm to
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How is this any different?

Google doesn't own Roku
Posted by UltimaParadox
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 7:58 pm to
Well we now know for sure Roku is the one pulling the app. Guessing they want a piece of that subscription
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:35 pm to
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Okay, but honestly, who does Roku think they are?


They were a pioneer. But they are AOL at this point.

I prefer Android TV but we do have a couple of Roku TVs and that's what I've recommended to date for people who want the easiest, no fuss solution.

But this feels like Tivo/AOL type death throes by Roku. People like their devices, and their OS, but they aren't gonna pay Roku for a service, and the Roku channel never took off.
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:36 pm to
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YouTube users will start seeing a “Go to YouTube TV” option in the main YouTube app over the next few days.


I just got the email from Google.

A genius "frick you" maneuver by Google. Will be interesting to see how Roku responds.
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 9:36 pm to
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Google doesn't own Roku
Microsoft didn't own the computers their operating systems went into either.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 10:44 pm to
Youtube should have done this a long time ago.
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:14 am to
I absolutely love Rokus but I mean, come on. Google is going to win that every time.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:26 am to
YouTube did this on amamzontv a while back and a sub YouTube app showed up pretty quick. YouTube can't block anything.
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 7:45 am to
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I seem to recall a place and time when Microsoft was sued by the US government in an anti-trust case won by the government to break up their bundling of Microsoft's commingling of the code of its operating system with its Internet Explorer browser.

How is this any different?


FTC/DoJ had an inquiry into Microsoft anti-competitive practices in the early 90s. As a result of that, Microsoft promised to the DoJ it would not tie other Microsoft products to the sale of Windows, in an effort to avoid charges of monopolization. That doesn't mean nobody can bundle products, just Microsoft agreed that it wouldn't do so.

Then, years later, Microsoft wove Windows and IE together in such a way so that they could claim IE was a feature integral to Windows, and not a separate product bundled (making them not in violation of the prior agreement). But really they were in violation of their prior agreement by forcing this technicality. So the judge ordered them to stop and commit to their agreement. Roku/Google has no prior agreement not to bundle products.

Microsoft was found guilty of committing monopolization in the end, and there was ample testimony and evidence that Microsoft was intentionally doing this (amongst many other things things) to choke their competitors out of the market and give themselves the monopoly position they had been accused of for years. Section 2 of the Sherman Act defining monopolization specifies that first, market dominance to the degree of monopoly has to be established and second, it had to be gained as a result of unlawful exclusionary conduct. The government was right to find them guilty of this, though the initial decision to break them up may have been heavy handed. I don't think this applies to either party in this situation.
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 9:44 am to
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I just got the email from Google.

A genius "frick you" maneuver by Google. Will be interesting to see how Roku responds.
This was a highly uncompetitive act that could eventually cause them to spend more in court fighting anti-trust charges than it was worth.
Posted by Rowdy Mcflowdy
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:53 am to
Unless I'm mistaken,I believe Roku is the top streaming device so I believe they have the upper hand at the moment. I have 5 Roku TVs in my house for guest rooms and outdoor TVs. My main TVs are Samsung smart TVs. Without a doubt the user experience is far smoother on the Roku sets for accessing streaming services. The Samsung TVs, like Android TVs I've had are clunky and awkward in their execution. I don't use YouTube TV so missing that is not a concern. For me, I hope Roku wins the war and survives as I would not care to use another device. I use Vudu for my movie library and Firestick does not allow it on their device so that is a deal breaker.
Posted by Fat Batman
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:10 am to
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Without a doubt the user experience is far smoother on the Roku sets for accessing streaming services. The Samsung TVs, like Android TVs I've had are clunky and awkward in their execution.


Your opinion is valid, but personally I would put Roku at the bottom as far as their software/platform goes with Android TV at the top. Also, I don't use VUDU but I would be willing to bet you can install it on a fire stick if you side loaded it. Another plus to Android as a whole, which fireOS is a variant of, it's not dependant on apps listed in an App store.
Posted by msutiger
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:06 pm to
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Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:11 pm to
I thought the issue was that Google wants Roku to basically wave all user privacy rights in order to have the YouTube TV app? And, Roku is "trying" to protect their users' data and privacy? Why are all of you excited about Google winning this battle?
Posted by msutiger
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:33 pm to
I'm more pointing out the hypocrisy being displayed by Google. I'm not excited at all. None of them give a shite about data they just want to create a monopoly. frick Google and frick Apple. Im actually more on Roku's side, but I know they are no better.
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:07 am to
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personally I would put Roku at the bottom as far as their software/platform goes with Android TV at the top.


Holy crap. I can't even imagine how someone would think that. Roku is really good at user experience. Everything is fast, easy, reliable, and intuitive.
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