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Why is there so little sports broadcast in 4k?

Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:29 pm
Posted by bleedsgarnet
Virginia
Member since Apr 2014
1384 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:29 pm
Every tv these days is 4k. 4k streaming is good from Netflix and Amazon. No nfl in 4k, no superbowl. 2 college football games at best per week in 4k.

At least the national league playoffs and world series on fox was in 4k.

Picture is great..,you can't tell me it's about costs at this point.

ESPN CBS NBC and ABC don't even try...if fox and fs1 can nail it why not the rest?
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 9:32 pm
Posted by LSUTiger23
Madisonville, LA
Member since Jun 2010
1284 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 9:34 pm to
I’ve wondered the same exact thing. You would think that all primetime games would be 4K at this point.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11950 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:49 pm to
The networks don't think the extra cost of production is going to gain them any viewers or produce an additional revenue stream. It's rocket surgery, really.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 5:42 am to
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no superbowl


I thought you could stream the superbowl from an app in 4k?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84195 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:18 am to
I feel like I wasted 90% of the research I did when buying my latest TV.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
79554 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:07 am to
It is expensive and doesn't get them any more viewers
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 8:08 am
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1551 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:29 am to
A few years ago, Fox broadcasted the Superbowl in 4K. It wasn't true 4K but an upconverted signal. Looked great and better than the the normal broadcast especially w/ HDR.

Before the game, they did a piece on the production etc. ALL the cameras at the game were 4K. The problem is their on site mobile production center couldn't handle processing all those 4K feeds, graphics etc at the same time.

So they took the 4K feeds, down converted, added graphics then upconverted it back to 4K for broadcast. No idea if that's still the case but those mobile production rigs are huge investments.

I'd be happy if broadcast tv were available in 1080P w/ HDR. HDR imo is a bigger impact than 4K.

Fyi, there is 4K sports broadcasted almost every week. DirecTv is the leader in this. Look at this thread, the first post (pdf attachment) is constantly updated.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/4k-live-sports-and-events-discussion-updated-11-15-22.3006930/
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 11:46 am
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3478 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 2:33 pm to
Do you know that virtually every CGI effect you see in 4K movies, like the Marvel stuff, is shot on 1080p equipment and later upconverted. Too expensive and many viewers can’t tell the difference. Same for sports.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted by EsquireReb
Member since Jan 2014
126 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 2:35 pm to
^^^ I know this feeling. I spent hours picking the right Tv and surround system last year and when it all came together, I was kinda disappointed in live sports. 4k movies on Netflix or whatever are great though. Live isn't "bad" - just not really worth the $7k or so I probably spent compared to my normal tv's in other rooms if I'm being honest.
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
738 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 4:07 pm to
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HDR imo is a bigger impact than 4K.


This.

quote:

Fyi, there is 4K sports broadcasted almost every week. DirecTv is the leader in this.


I finally upgraded earlier this year to their 4K setup and have watched a few college games in 4K / HDR. It's a nice upgrade. But it isn't quite the game changer upgrade that HD was. That's probably in part due to bandwidth & compression issues where I doubt we're actually getting 4x the detail of a 2K feed.
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
738 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 4:09 pm to
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^^^ I know this feeling. I spent hours picking the right Tv and surround system last year and when it all came together, I was kinda disappointed in live sports. 4k movies on Netflix or whatever are great though. Live isn't "bad" - just not really worth the $7k or so I probably spent compared to my normal tv's in other rooms if I'm being honest.



This, sadly, is more the feeling I have for my Dolby Atmos upgrade a few years ago. When it's "on" it's really nice, but even movies that should take advantage of it seem to rarely do so. It's inexplicable because there's literally no reason to not do it - Atmos is fully backward compatible so including the height sounds doesn't lose anything for someone who doesn't have those speakers, they just get moved to existing speakers.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
22740 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:46 pm to
Because they’d have to slow the frame rates down. Sports are actually shot still in 720 I believe so it can broadcast at 60 hz. Rather than 1080i
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:18 pm to
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Because they’d have to slow the frame rates down. Sports are actually shot still in 720 I believe so it can broadcast at 60 hz. Rather than 1080i
That used to be true, but now ATSC 3.0 is rolling out and they can fit 4K@120hz on a channel.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
18624 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 10:32 am to
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The networks don't think the extra cost of production is going to gain them any viewers or produce an additional revenue stream. It's rocket surgery, really.

It doesn't help that the affaletuses, geniuses they are, are openly admitting to hating most of the fanbase for their skin color. So while the league and networks look to broaden appeal, the stars are shutting down growth. Makes zero sense to invest to expansion till these affaletuses geniuses STFU.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
48736 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Why is there so little sports broadcast in 4k?
Maybe because there aren't any over the air broadcasts in 4K? Call me crazy, but that might have something to do with it.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
48736 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 1:04 pm to
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Because they’d have to slow the frame rates down. Sports are actually shot still in 720 I believe so it can broadcast at 60 hz. Rather than 1080i
No, the broadcast cameras use advanced 2/3-inch 4K CMOS sensors with global shutter technology at 1080/59.94p or 1080/50p. The broadcasters run the live stream through codecs to fit their own broadcast standards, usually 720p or 1080i for OTA broadcasts and 720p or 1080p for streaming but the content can still be shot and be archived at 4k while simultaneously streaming out a lesser resolution.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126193 posts
Posted on 11/19/22 at 9:16 am to
Its wild bc in Europe they have been showing soccer in 4K for almost 8 years
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
26885 posts
Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:45 pm to
I bought a Samsung 8K TV this year’s model and I can tell you that, even though nothings really broadcast in 4K it typically looks better on the 8k TV over my other 4K TVs in the bedroom etc, and they are not cheap 4ks pretty decent qled models. But yeah for it being the beginning of technology age they are slow getting it out.
Posted by robchand58
Denham Springs LA
Member since Nov 2012
653 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:07 am to
Mostly its because of the delivery mechanism's 'last mile.' The path to your TV set is usually a broadcast antenna, a cable (fiber), or a satellite. Save for cable/fiber, none of those really have a delivery path, and the cable/fiber folks aren't feeling the need yet for 4K delivery. The next big thing for broadcasters is HD+.
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