re: Apple Event 9/10/19

I don't have any problem with iphones. I already asked earlier in this thread that I am looking for deals now to upgrade my wifes. I think they are fine pieces of technology. I just want to correct the iPhone fan boys who think apple is the only thing out there that is seamless... As well as perfectly secure.

Hell, in this thread we had a guy actually try to say that a lightning cable was better than usb-c which is just a joke. Especially when it is highly speculated that apple is going to be switching to usb-c in the next year

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WTF do you think Apple does.

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Would you shut up already?

Android fan crashing an Apple event thread, what is this 2013?

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And that’s why they like apple. You can be ignorant to the technology but can still use it with little effort. It just works you know.

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This is one of the dorkiest things I've ever heard

Who cares about the technological aptitude of people who can use smartphones.

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Who cares about the technological aptitude of people who can use smartphones

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Who cares what other people use a a phone ? But you got fan bois on both side getting all in a fuss over it.

He's kinda right though. There is a reason every state in the country except for California and Alabama is starting to investigate Google and Facebook.

We are pretty much forced to pick Google or Apple for our data if we want to use a decent smartphone. I like a lot of things Google does, but I don't want my data there. Some people don't care about that and that's fine for them.


It's a legit reason to make a choice. Nothing can be truly safe or private, but one clearly has a different approach than the other one.

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My thing is, nothing comes close to the google search engine as far as results of a search. I tried duckduck go but its not even close.

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Yeah this one is tough, google search is very good. Duckduckgo does blow.

Their assistant is so much better than Siri and Alexa is somewhere between the two as well.

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I'm not denying that Google doesn't abuse privacy. I just took offense to him saying only stupid people would use any Google service. Especially since the article he posted was about apple security not really being what they state. I use a smartphone to enhance my life. To do that, my phone (Google) has to be able to use my data. There is a reason why Google assistant is so much better than Siri, and is always rated as the top assistant. They need data to do that. To me, using a phone to it's full potential is more important than possibly improving my privacy alittle.

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Which is why I am saying he is kinda right. You gloss over their data abuse pretty lightly though. There is a large difference between using data to improve their system and what they are being accused of doing with the data. Apple has got in trouble about it as well, but they are taking two different approaches to manage the data that definitely qualifies much further than just a little.

I'm not glossing over Google's data abuse. I'm saying that everyone is doing it. So I can stop using all of the features of my smartphone, or buy an iPhone and only use apple services, which means no 3rd party apps, no search engines, no cookies, no Google services. Also, no iCloud because we know how easy that is to hack.

And then after doing all of that, I have severely limited the capabilities of my phone and only slightly increased my privacy. That's why I said alittle. I didn't mean it to say that they were only slightly abusing our privacy.

It is 2019, everything we are doing is being tracked. Switching to Firefox isn't going to stop that

Edit: as I was looking through articles on data collection I found some interesting stuff. Apple actually sells search engine access to Google for 9 billion a year. So everyone using safari is sending all of that info to Google. Also the majority of iOS apps that have location tracking as a main feature, such as Uber, use Google maps for their basis. So even if you do not have Google maps installed, your location is being tracked if you have any of these type of apps.

I say all that to say, seems like a pretty grey area between Google selling data to advertisers, and apple selling data to Google. I just dont see why apple gets such high praise when they are doing the same things. Maybe it's because of end to end encryption on iMessage. But most iPhone users do not even realize that this goes away when they send a regular text.

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I'm not glossing over Google's data abuse. I'm saying that everyone is doing it. So I can stop using all of the features of my smartphone, or buy an iPhone and only use apple services, which means no 3rd party apps, no search engines, no cookies, no Google services. Also, no iCloud because we know how easy that is to hack.

And then after doing all of that, I have severely limited the capabilities of my phone and only slightly increased my privacy. That's why I said alittle. I didn't mean it to say that they were only slightly abusing our privacy.

It is 2019, everything we are doing is being tracked. Switching to Firefox isn't going to stop that

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You are glossing over it. As said before 48 states now view it as a problem. It's not a big deal to you and you obviously don't see it as a problem. That's fine, that's your view. Some people want to take the steps to limit what is tracked and don't view it as just increasing their privacy just a little.

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Apple actually sells search engine access to Google for 9 billion a year. So everyone using safari is sending all of that info to Google.

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That's only if you select Google as your default search. Apple sells Google access to be one of the search engines you can select on the phone and I think it is still the default one if you set up a new account. I don't know, it is not my default. It does not send search results to Google if you are using DuckDuckGo or some other option.

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I say all that to say, seems like a pretty grey area between Google selling data to advertisers, and apple selling data to Google. I just dont see why apple gets such high praise when they are doing the same things

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Apple gets praise for it because they are trying to limit what they can on their software if you choose to opt out of features. Google on the other hand, you are the merchandise, not the customer.