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re: Anyone using a password manager?

Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
8398 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:01 pm to
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What format? I keep an excel sheer that is password protected and keep it on a flash drive.


I wouldn’t trust Excel password locks for a password list. You can format a flash drive as a Bitlocker drive. Thats what I do. As long as your Windows OS is Bitlocker enabled you can open it. And always choose a strong password with a mix of alphanumerics and symbols. There are no lockdowns that are foolproof, but bitlocker on a portable device is pretty good.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:26 pm to
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I keep an excel sheer that is password protected and keep it on a flash drive.

Man people will use Excel for any and everything huh
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9950 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:18 am to
I have 1291 unique entries in my BitWarden vault. If you *can* use a spreadsheet to keep track of passwords, your passwords aren't unique enough. Besides, you need something to generate a key for MFA anyway.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
7827 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:09 am to
Self hosted Bit-Warden...

(Cloud hosted is asking for your data to be compromised, and it will be!)

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19998 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:22 am to
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With as cheap as usb thumb drives are now, there’s no reason not to have a safe and just chuck 1 in there every year.

Never know when it will save your butt.


How does a USB drive provide password security?
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5723 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:44 am to
It was in reference to concerns about backups in case of a local server crash.

With how cheap storage technology is, there’s no reason not to have regular backups.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
28338 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:00 am to
I use 1password. I've never used anything else, but I don't have any complaints with 1password. One of the benefits to me besides basic password management is that my wife knows how to use it, so I don't worry about something happening to me and her not being able to easily get into things.

I also add MFA to anything that allows it, typically via Microsoft Authenticator.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19998 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:08 am to
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It was in reference to concerns about backups in case of a local server crash.

With how cheap storage technology is, there’s no reason not to have regular backups.


But the line of discussion was about not using services due to security breach issues and instead use an encrypted USB drive to store passwords. This makes no sense to me. I dont see how it provides any additional security.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5723 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:19 am to
Because it's not hackable unless someone steals your USB drive or hacks your particular PC. The "fear" is that a central database that stores passwords can (and will) be hacked. Therefore, keeping passwords local on encrypted devices is more safe. The question was, "do you have a backup"? My comment was that as cheap as thumb drives have become it makes sense to buy several of them and just backup the data every so often and keep it in a safe. These files are not that large.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19998 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:18 pm to
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Because it's not hackable unless someone steals your USB drive or hacks your particular PC. The "fear" is that a central database that stores passwords can (and will) be hacked. Therefore, keeping passwords local on encrypted devices is more safe. The question was, "do you have a backup"? My comment was that as cheap as thumb drives have become it makes sense to buy several of them and just backup the data every so often and keep it in a safe. These files are not that large.


That still isn't providing additional security. The passwords are still out there on the net every time you use them and for every account you have they are stored on the servers. That is where the VAST majority of compromise comes from. Relying on a USB stick is a great way to just lose all your passwords at once.

I'm all for additional safety measures but USB stick password storage makes zero sense.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5723 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:17 pm to
Sure it is.

There’s no dispute that an individual site can get hacked. The difference is that you’re only getting one password hacked vs all of them being on a password database.

The point was that you don’t keep your passwords on the cloud.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14862 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 3:54 pm to
1Password

Worth every penny.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14862 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 3:55 pm to
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One of the benefits to me besides basic password management is that my wife knows how to use


this is the way.


Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37680 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 5:59 pm to
1Password
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
129971 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:23 am to
I think I'm going to do one of these, will make it easier on the wife too trying to remember passwords.

One question, when you start with a password manager, how does it interact with existing passwords on websites you already have setup. So for example, you have a login to Amazon already, does the password manager let you add amazon, and then it updates your password automatically to their secure format, or do you have to manually update each one you have?
Posted by MaroonWhite
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Member since Oct 2012
3731 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:47 am to
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One question, when you start with a password manager, how does it interact with existing passwords on websites you already have setup. So for example, you have a login to Amazon already, does the password manager let you add amazon, and then it updates your password automatically to their secure format, or do you have to manually update each one you have?


I haven't tried this, but it looks like Bitwarden can import credentials that you have stored via your browser.

Import from Firefox
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 8:48 am
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
18989 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:10 am to
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I use 1password. I've never used anything else, but I don't have any complaints with 1password.

This is how I've felt about LastPass, but every time I click on one of these threads, I feel like I chose poorly

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One of the benefits to me besides basic password management is that my wife knows how to use it, so I don't worry about something happening to me and her not being able to easily get into things.

Been trying for a while to get my wife onboard, but when it comes to technology, she would rather just burry her head in the sand until she's forced to use it. Funny thing is one of her concerns about a password manager site is if someone hacks them, they will have all of her passwords. So, she stores them in her google contacts list (not the exact password, she at least uses a code system) and uses basically the same password across multiple platforms
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
7958 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:25 am to
Dashlane
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37680 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:26 am to
If my memory serves me correctly, you will get an option to select which password you want use and 1password will ask if you want to add the login credentials you just used. Occasionally you may need to manually update. There are also import/export utilities but not sure the formatting.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:06 pm to
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Been trying for a while to get my wife onboard, but when it comes to technology, she would rather just burry her head in the sand until she's forced to use it.
Problem here is a lot of people don't feel "forced" to use a password manager until something bad happens.
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Funny thing is one of her concerns about a password manager site is if someone hacks them, they will have all of her passwords. So, she stores them in her google contacts list
Much, much, MUCH more likely to have passwords stolen from your contacts app than from a password manager site, especially if the contacts are synced across devices (so they are stored in the cloud possibly in plaintext). How many apps have permissions to access contacts on her phone? Probably a lot.
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not the exact password, she at least uses a code system
That just makes it impossible to autofill passwords, which is a necessity if you're using secure passwords.
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and uses basically the same password across multiple platforms
Well frick.


It's good that she has concerns about password security, but her methods are all the exact wrong things to do if you want to secure your passwords. Convince her with this:

1. If a password site is hacked, the attacker does not automatically have your passwords. They will have an encrypted file which contains your passwords, and then they have to crack your master password to access your passwords. Choose a strong password for this, and if there is ever a breach you will have time to change your passwords.

2. Most password managers support multi-factor authentication. This means that not only does an attacker have to hack the password site and then crack your master password, they would ALSO need access to your physical phone in order to reveal your passwords. The Google Contacts app doesn't do this for you.

3. Having a personal code system to obfuscate your passwords is handy if you're writing them down somewhere, but if you use truly secure passwords (like those a password manager will generate for you) then a code system won't be helpful. Further, typing out secure passwords is a huge pain in the arse, so a password manager will help you out here.

4. Using the same password across multiple sites is the absolute worst thing you can do for security. If you worry about one site getting hacked and having your passwords stolen, repeating passwords multiplies the attack surface. Instead of just one site, now you have potentially dozens of sites to be hacked which would expose your password for all the rest.
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