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Two year anniversary of the Twellman rant
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:37 am
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I only bring this up because he points out at the end how missing the World Cup ended up turning around federations in the long run, but if the USSF continues on the road that it's been on, that's when you start asking real questions.
My question to that is, what drastic changes have been made, not along the lines of Cordeiro being hired and the GM positions being created, rather, what have these new faces implemented that is a big difference compared to what the Gulati regime was doing?
I'm not setting bait here, because I genuinely don't know what has changed, if anything at all. But it being 2 years since we lost to T&T and seeing how underwhelming the program has been in the time since, I think it's important that those questions are being asked. It has honestly felt like little accountability has been taken for that failure.
I only bring this up because he points out at the end how missing the World Cup ended up turning around federations in the long run, but if the USSF continues on the road that it's been on, that's when you start asking real questions.
My question to that is, what drastic changes have been made, not along the lines of Cordeiro being hired and the GM positions being created, rather, what have these new faces implemented that is a big difference compared to what the Gulati regime was doing?
I'm not setting bait here, because I genuinely don't know what has changed, if anything at all. But it being 2 years since we lost to T&T and seeing how underwhelming the program has been in the time since, I think it's important that those questions are being asked. It has honestly felt like little accountability has been taken for that failure.
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:14 pm to Broski
I don’t know how much has changed about the USSF itself, but I can say for certain that the USMNT has made little, if any, progress on the field.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:15 pm to Broski
I think it's too early to tell the types of changes Cordeiro and the higher-ups have made. We won't really know until the musical chairs of shuffling jobs stops and everyone settles into their role for a while.
I think some of the proposed changes/additions are a good step to modernize our federation and bring them more in line with what other top FAs around the world are doing. But I'm not sure we have the right people in those jobs at all, and will remain cynical until proven otherwise. By all accounts, the USSF is understaffed and underfunded, and poorly paid interns do a lot of the work. The USSF website itself is poorly designed, and Latino outreach is still awful on social media, etc.
Our player pool is so terrible right now, 36 year-old Wondo is seriously our most in-form, healthy striker right now. There just aren't many good options at a lot of positions, and there won't be for a while. It took seven years of a lost generation to dig this hole, and it might take as many good years of youth development to dig us out. I like what I'm seeing from our youth in recent years, but it'll be a few more rough years until some of those guys are ready for the senior national team.
My enthusiasm for the national team is at an all-time low right now. I've passed the anger stage and entered the apathy stage. I know many of you feel the same, and it's not gonna change until the USMNT starts performing well on the field, which could take years with how bad the team is right now.
I think some of the proposed changes/additions are a good step to modernize our federation and bring them more in line with what other top FAs around the world are doing. But I'm not sure we have the right people in those jobs at all, and will remain cynical until proven otherwise. By all accounts, the USSF is understaffed and underfunded, and poorly paid interns do a lot of the work. The USSF website itself is poorly designed, and Latino outreach is still awful on social media, etc.
Our player pool is so terrible right now, 36 year-old Wondo is seriously our most in-form, healthy striker right now. There just aren't many good options at a lot of positions, and there won't be for a while. It took seven years of a lost generation to dig this hole, and it might take as many good years of youth development to dig us out. I like what I'm seeing from our youth in recent years, but it'll be a few more rough years until some of those guys are ready for the senior national team.
My enthusiasm for the national team is at an all-time low right now. I've passed the anger stage and entered the apathy stage. I know many of you feel the same, and it's not gonna change until the USMNT starts performing well on the field, which could take years with how bad the team is right now.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:18 pm to Broski
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But it being 2 years since we lost to T&T and seeing how underwhelming the program has been in the time since, I think it's important that those questions are being asked. It has honestly felt like little accountability has been taken for that failure.
Yep. Frankly I am an unengaged in the USNT as I have ever been. I used to watch every game - but now barely watch any live, and even recorded I'll likely fast forward/scan through portions.
I don't think the Federation has changed or done a damn thing to really change things. I think they hired a coach for reasons other than bringing the best out of our talent pool. I think we're facing the very real possibility of missing out on the WC again if we don't utilize what we have better.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:19 pm to Broski
And 2 years later not a thing has changed
At least that disaster woke some people up
At least that disaster woke some people up
Posted on 10/10/19 at 1:06 pm to Broski
I don't think I've seen much change at all. It comes across as the new boss being the same as the old boss. From the glassdoor reviews it seems like the moral sucks at the soccer house.
Fans don't want to travel as much anymore and can anyone blame them for a mediocre product and still high ticket prices?
US soccer needs fresh ideas but the good ol boy network there seem alive and well.
I was hoping that Kyle Martino would've became president. I know he doesn't have the experience on the business side of things but it's all about putting the right people there for that issue. Besides, USSF hasn't had any issues making money.
Fans don't want to travel as much anymore and can anyone blame them for a mediocre product and still high ticket prices?
US soccer needs fresh ideas but the good ol boy network there seem alive and well.
I was hoping that Kyle Martino would've became president. I know he doesn't have the experience on the business side of things but it's all about putting the right people there for that issue. Besides, USSF hasn't had any issues making money.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 1:46 pm to Michael Stein
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I think it's too early to tell the types of changes Cordeiro and the higher-ups have made. We won't really know until the musical chairs of shuffling jobs stops and everyone settles into their role for a while.
Well the USSF is directly responsible for this. They created a new position for Earnie, only to promote him.
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I think some of the proposed changes/additions are a good step to modernize our federation and bring them more in line with what other top FAs around the world are doing.
Like what?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 2:42 pm to Broski
Yep. What steps exactly have been made to further youth outreach, and training? Are they just hoping that the MLS academies will do everything in terms of developing players? Have they created programs for lower-income players that will allow them to get solid coaching, and exposure? I’ll know we’ve made real progress when we have a national team consisting of players that didn’t just come from middle to upper-middle class families..
The only two major moves I’m aware of are the hiring of gregggg, and the creation of Earnie Stewart’s position. The hiring of Berhalter can at best be described as underwhelming, and other than that hiring I have no clue what Earnie does.
As for your earlier point on the lost generation I think that’s the main issue. The talent pool is just awful right now. The backbone of this team is built on average MLS players, and the few talented ones are past their prime, and The real talent is too young and sparse to overcome the MLS veterans.
I believe you’re correct in saying it’s likely going to take several years for the talent to fill back up. I think it’s going to take Pulisic’s class fighting through mediocrity until they hit their prime around 25-28 years old when they will become the core of the team. And hopefully by that point the MLS academies and European academies will have continued producing talented young players that can come into the senior team, and provide a spark instead of needing to carry the load.
The only bright spot is that it appears our youth teams would suggest we have genuine talent coming up, and that they are playing a more technical style of soccer. I’ve only really started following the youth teams over the last few years though, so maybe we’ve always looked good in youth tournaments only to have those players burn out as they age.
The only two major moves I’m aware of are the hiring of gregggg, and the creation of Earnie Stewart’s position. The hiring of Berhalter can at best be described as underwhelming, and other than that hiring I have no clue what Earnie does.
As for your earlier point on the lost generation I think that’s the main issue. The talent pool is just awful right now. The backbone of this team is built on average MLS players, and the few talented ones are past their prime, and The real talent is too young and sparse to overcome the MLS veterans.
I believe you’re correct in saying it’s likely going to take several years for the talent to fill back up. I think it’s going to take Pulisic’s class fighting through mediocrity until they hit their prime around 25-28 years old when they will become the core of the team. And hopefully by that point the MLS academies and European academies will have continued producing talented young players that can come into the senior team, and provide a spark instead of needing to carry the load.
The only bright spot is that it appears our youth teams would suggest we have genuine talent coming up, and that they are playing a more technical style of soccer. I’ve only really started following the youth teams over the last few years though, so maybe we’ve always looked good in youth tournaments only to have those players burn out as they age.
This post was edited on 10/10/19 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/10/19 at 3:09 pm to Michael Stein
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My enthusiasm for the national team is at an all-time low right now. I've passed the anger stage and entered the apathy stage. I know many of you feel the same, and it's not gonna change until the USMNT starts performing well on the field, which could take years with how bad the team is right now.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 8:39 pm to unctiger4
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I don’t know how much has changed about the USSF itself, but I can say for certain that the USMNT has made little, if any, progress on the field.
This. I get excited when some young players get in the team sheet who've performed well for club only to have it be a tactical letdown with not much effort to try something new. Gets old fast
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:28 pm to Michael Stein
The problem is a manager who insists on a system and playing veterans. A real leader would be fearless, willing to play the kids and stick to basics, also focus like h3ll on set pieces.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:34 pm to RollTide4Ever
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The problem is a manager who insists on a system and playing veterans. A real leader would be fearless, willing to play the kids and stick to basics, also focus like h3ll on set pieces.
This is my whole problem with the USMNT right now. We went from JK who would try the most bizarre shite just for the hell of it to Berhalter who thinks, "yeah he's a decent MLS player...slot the fricker in."
There's nothing wrong with trying new ideas and being bold but with a NT you need, IMO, some consistency.
It feels like the federation wanted to move on from Bradley because he had maxed out, which I'm cool with and I honestly loved the Klinsmann hire. Then he got too cute. We have to find some middle-ground between the two though. Berhalter just seems to be Bradley lite.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 3:21 pm to Srbtiger06
Guys we suck, it doesn't matter what the USSF does it largely doesn't matter who the coach is. Our best player ever is getting left off the squad on a team playing like 5 20 year olds. That should tell you all you need to know.
ETA: With that said missing the WC from CONCACAF is an abomination that defies logic.
ETA: With that said missing the WC from CONCACAF is an abomination that defies logic.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/13/19 at 8:19 pm to Srbtiger06
I legitimately think we could build a team on this board and outperform Berhalter.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 8:22 pm to lynxcat
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I legitimately think we could build a team on this board and outperform Berhalter.
I have no problem shitting on Gregg all day long, but this is a ridiculous statement.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 9:48 pm to RandySavage
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Our best player ever is getting left off the squad on a team playing like 5 20 year olds. That should tell you all you need to know.
I don’t buy the talent issue.
The USA has rarely been more talented than our opposition on a world stage (CONCACAF we usually were), but it is the effort.
Who is our Tab Ramos?
Who is our Jermaine Jones?
Who are the guys that you know will leave it all on the field? Effort is what brought us success, and that success got to our head.
Effort will dig us out.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 1:35 am to BamaCoaster
Yeah, talent only comes into play when the conversation is about how we take that next step from a pseudo round of 16 World Cup team to quarterfinals and beyond. Which is something we've been trying and failing to figure out since 2002.
But, the regression lately has been so bad, that we are no longer having that conversation at the moment.
When it comes to CONCACAF, talent is never the issue. In fact, our talent pool continues to get deeper and deeper, yet we have not made a single step forward since 2010, just constant reverse. The cohesion in the team this last cycle and beginning this one is the worst I've ever seen it. That's on management, and it's alarming that it's been a problem for three different managerial regimes no (Jurgy, Bruce, GG) which tells me the problems go beyond management.
The culture of US Soccer is dreadful and everyone involved that is luck to still have a job should be ashamed of themselves.
But, the regression lately has been so bad, that we are no longer having that conversation at the moment.
When it comes to CONCACAF, talent is never the issue. In fact, our talent pool continues to get deeper and deeper, yet we have not made a single step forward since 2010, just constant reverse. The cohesion in the team this last cycle and beginning this one is the worst I've ever seen it. That's on management, and it's alarming that it's been a problem for three different managerial regimes no (Jurgy, Bruce, GG) which tells me the problems go beyond management.
The culture of US Soccer is dreadful and everyone involved that is luck to still have a job should be ashamed of themselves.
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 1:36 am
Posted on 10/14/19 at 1:34 pm to Broski
I love the young guys we have coming into the senior team, but overall, I haven’t been this unenthusiastic about the USMNT since I started enjoying the game. The USSF did nothing except shuffle chairs around.
Twellman was right then, and nothing has really changed at all. We fired Jurgen and we’re still fricked. United is trash, the United States is trash, and I turned 30 without ever losing my virginity or seeing a titty?! What is even fricking happening?
Twellman was right then, and nothing has really changed at all. We fired Jurgen and we’re still fricked. United is trash, the United States is trash, and I turned 30 without ever losing my virginity or seeing a titty?! What is even fricking happening?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 5:19 pm to Dijkstra
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I turned 30 without ever losing my virginity or seeing a titty?! What is even fricking happening?
Wut
Posted on 10/14/19 at 6:14 pm to BamaCoaster
There is an obvious fix to the effort issue but it’s taboo
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