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re: Title IX is why our Women's Team is Good and Our Men's Team is Mid
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:11 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:11 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
The title of the OP says that Title IX is the reason our National Team is average. What does giving a platform to kids who aren't good enough for the National Team, let alone going to a Club Academy somewhere, do to improve the USMNT?
The high school season is 2-3 months long. How does that replace the US P2P Club model?
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Everybody bitches about it being pay to play. Well it costs very little to nothing to play on middle and high schools. Why focus resources on building a parallel system when one already exists? Put money there! Take advantage of town and regional rivalries
The high school season is 2-3 months long. How does that replace the US P2P Club model?
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Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:09 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Well it costs very little to nothing to play on middle and high schools. Why focus resources on building a parallel system when one already exists?
Spain just advanced to the Euro semifinals starting 16 and 17 year olds.
If we're focusing on middle and high school we already lost. That's why getting the club academies from MLS and USL are so important.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:31 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
quote:The only way we are going to compete on the world stage is to have our most elite young players in an intensive academy system at an early age. Like it’s done throughout the rest of the world. This has been happening slowly over the last 5-10 years so hopefully will continue to increase the quality of players here.
But go ahead and keep thinking that emulating the system of countries that are a fraction of our population and geographic footprint will work. It's yielded great results so far. In 30 years since our last world cup, most people still don't give a shite.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:58 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
You are correct in that the equal scholarship law means that wealthy schools with football teams have to have a bunch of women’s sports to comply. You are incorrect in that those same rich schools wouldn’t build better men’s soccer programs if they didn’t have to fund the women’s programs. They’d just spend that extra money on football.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 8:50 pm to saderade
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The only way we are going to compete on the world stage is to have our most elite young players in an intensive academy system at an early age. Like it’s done throughout the rest of the world. This has been happening slowly over the last 5-10 years so hopefully will continue to increase the quality of players here.
Where we are now is the best we will ever be with the current system. In fact, it can't be changed. Right now is the high water mark. Mid. A new coach won't fix it. 30 years of bullshite, stupid decisions has led us here and it cannot be undone. This is us. No amount of getting the right kids in the right academies will ever make US soccer more than an afterthought. Congratulations. Your desire to be special and different killed it before it was even born.
The next Messi will be found in Harlem. And his parents will be cool with shipping him off at 14 to go through a grueling academy program with no guarantee of an education or anything outside of kicking a ball. Yes, he's out there, we just need to search the ghettos and take those kids out of their hovels and into a soccer organization.
Do you understand how stupid that sounds?
I still love this game. I will still cheer. But I know that we will never be great. We're solidly mid.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:36 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Where we are now is the best we will ever be with the current system. In fact, it can't be changed.
This is such a dumb thing to say
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:37 am to Broski
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This is such a dumb thing to say
Been on this board since '07. I'll likely still be around in 10 years. That's 3 cycles. I'll wager we will be no better than we are now and probably worse.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:48 am to Tmcgin
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The fact we depend on the school systems for soccer puts us behind Title IX got women ahead but the world has caught up and passed The Academy system is the standard for women and men.
Yeah, in our experience, creating men’s programs wouldn’t solve the problem… those level/type of players are STILL not being sought out for national team/European level play. Those level players, and we know a few, are already in Europe and playing in club Academies. There are European club “academies” here… Liverpool, Tottenham, Celtic etc… they’re just branding arms though and we’ve seen zero players “move on” to those clubs. They dangle the carrot in front of parents…it’s about money.
It’s starts from the top down, and knowing a few of those US soccer “directors”… they’re perfectly happy, hosting camps, college ID, and Olympic “development” as the money rolls in.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 10:02 am to ghoast
I don’t think more college programs would be a direct benefit to the national team in the sense that they would get more players who were developed by NCAA schools.
But I do believe it would go a long way in taking the game more main stream in a lot of areas. If you get more kids interested, and keep them interested longer, you’re bound to uncover some high level players that may be missing out currently. Then they could be put on the right development path.
That’s not to say it’s the job of these schools to grow the game, but it would be a byproduct.
But I do believe it would go a long way in taking the game more main stream in a lot of areas. If you get more kids interested, and keep them interested longer, you’re bound to uncover some high level players that may be missing out currently. Then they could be put on the right development path.
That’s not to say it’s the job of these schools to grow the game, but it would be a byproduct.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 10:19 am to MOT
I understand your point and to some extent agree.
Maybe I have a pessimistic view, based on my experience with US soccer. What I am confident in saying, is that a vast majority of the “leaders” in US soccer are comfortable with where we are as a soccer nation. Of course they’ll say the politically correct things when pressed, but they know full well where their bread is buttered and they’re not stopping that money train for anything.
US Soccer over the past decade and a half has been promoted more over any other time in its existence… if it’s not mainstream by now, then I’m not sure it can be. US soccer, to some degree likes being the outlier (look at their “We’re the home of soccer” recent marketing)…they have something to always strive for, come up with new initiatives and “grass roots” projects which brings in money, rinse and repeat.
Maybe I have a pessimistic view, based on my experience with US soccer. What I am confident in saying, is that a vast majority of the “leaders” in US soccer are comfortable with where we are as a soccer nation. Of course they’ll say the politically correct things when pressed, but they know full well where their bread is buttered and they’re not stopping that money train for anything.
US Soccer over the past decade and a half has been promoted more over any other time in its existence… if it’s not mainstream by now, then I’m not sure it can be. US soccer, to some degree likes being the outlier (look at their “We’re the home of soccer” recent marketing)…they have something to always strive for, come up with new initiatives and “grass roots” projects which brings in money, rinse and repeat.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/6/24 at 10:40 am to ghoast
I remember when the MLS was created and we all had hoped it would improve that status of soccer in the US, as naturally as one would think. And largely it has with development and attraction. Unfortunately we are still lacking then it comes to the USMNT and there are other variables for this reason. Simply, MLS has increased soccer as an entertainment value, but without the national product.
Again, if you calculate timeframes compared to the Eastern European countries recovering from communism since 1990, it’s interesting how far they’ve come from the little they began.
Again, if you calculate timeframes compared to the Eastern European countries recovering from communism since 1990, it’s interesting how far they’ve come from the little they began.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:31 pm to Alyosha
quote:oh it did
I remember when the MLS was created and we all had hoped it would improve that status of soccer in the US, as naturally as one would think.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:39 pm to chalmetteowl
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And largely it has with development and attraction.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:48 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
If we are relying on colleges to develop players and make are National team better, we are already way behind the 8 ball with the rest of the world.
If you are going to college to play soccer you aren't that good on the world stage. Best thing you can hope for is the MLS.
The MLS is way behind other leagues because they draft college kids once they are done with school.
You shouldn't be playing major pro soccer if your are a college graduate.
If you are going to college to play soccer you aren't that good on the world stage. Best thing you can hope for is the MLS.
The MLS is way behind other leagues because they draft college kids once they are done with school.
You shouldn't be playing major pro soccer if your are a college graduate.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:52 pm to YNWA
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If you are going to college to play soccer you aren't that good on the world stage. Best thing you can hope for is the MLS. The MLS is way behind other leagues because they draft college kids once they are done with school. You shouldn't be playing major pro soccer if your are a college graduate.
I could see college soccer changing in the world of NIL for programs who decide they can play at that level… with the NCAA exerting less and less control over every sport. We talk about what they do with football but other sports have their own issues, such as baseball’s 11.7 scholarships…
Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:06 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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I'll wager we will be no better than we are now and probably worse.
Sadly. I agree.
We’ll hire some MLS coach for the 2026 WC we are hosting. We’ll hopefully get out of our group and then lose in the first knockout game.
We’ll congratulate ourselves on making the knockouts. And our “new style of playing”
We’ll then win all the concacaf tourneys. The gold cups and nations league. Barely. But as we should.
We’ll talk about what a great hire Nancy was.
Then we’ll not make it out of the group stage at the 2030 World Cup because we will have not evolved/developed at all from 2026. (It is after all some scrub MLS coach with next to no experience coaching or playing)
We’ll fire Nancy.
People will point out how it should just be one cycle per coach.
USSF will hire the next available MLS coach.
Rinse repeat. Except we won’t be hosting another WC for a while.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:50 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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But there is no opportunity for men in soccer. Women have a fall back -- at least they got an education.
Title IX was a serious investment in women’s soccer at a time when other countries weren’t investing in women’s soccer at all, so yes, our women were dominant. But now that women’s professional soccer is more common we’ll never have that kind of dominant run again. On the flip, more college soccer might have helped the men’s team decades ago, but what really matters is professional opportunities both domestic and abroad. We started way way behind on that.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:15 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
If LSU had a men's team, it would be a regular in the playoffs if it just pulled Louisiana talent.
Title IX is why.
Title IX is why.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 3:27 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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