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re: San Diego awarded 30th MLS team
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:48 am to GhostofJackson
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:48 am to GhostofJackson
I think the talent issue would be less of a big deal if they did a better job structuring the season. The three main problems, other than pro/rel:
1. the business end of the season goes up against the busiest time in North American sports calendar.
2. Almost the entire league makes the playoffs, so early and mid season matches feel essentially worthless.
3. Too much parity. Yes you want everyone to have a chance but every league needs a villian, something for the rest to aspire to topple and for neutrals to root against. As it stands basically every team and game feels the same outside a select few derbys.
1. the business end of the season goes up against the busiest time in North American sports calendar.
2. Almost the entire league makes the playoffs, so early and mid season matches feel essentially worthless.
3. Too much parity. Yes you want everyone to have a chance but every league needs a villian, something for the rest to aspire to topple and for neutrals to root against. As it stands basically every team and game feels the same outside a select few derbys.
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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There’s no reason why it couldn’t work in this country. It would just have look different than it does elsewhere.
Ive always described soccer over there more similar to college football here.
Basically teams in smaller and larger towns with the pageantry and loyal followings. And since there are so many teams they are just spilt into conferences that were more inline with your geographical location before these expansions started happening.
That would be similar to the leagues based on the country you are in. But the goal is to win your conference or league and the cherry on top is the bowls and now the playoffs, and in europe its your placement into the eruopean tournaments.
So it could happen, but i dont know if the popularity is there for it to really kickoff.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 11:12 am to GhostofJackson
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highest amount of talent in MLS history
It’s not that great
The gap between the attacking foreign players brought in and the defensive is massive
There is a reason clubs overseas don’t go shopping for MLS defenders or midfielders who are not attacking
The talent is lacking
Posted on 5/20/23 at 11:15 am to StraightCashHomey21
Okay but that still doesn't take away that this has the most talent in MLS history, regardless of where it's located. Hell, it's probably better to grow the sport to new non soccer fans by having stronger offensive than defensive players. 1-0 games aren't going to move the needle for non soccer fans.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:22 pm to GhostofJackson
Well yea the only way to go is up when you start at the bottom 
Just bc a match is high scoring and not 1-0 doesn’t make it good soccer
As the average American soccer fan gets more knowledgeable on the game they start to notice the major flaws in MLS
Just bc a match is high scoring and not 1-0 doesn’t make it good soccer
As the average American soccer fan gets more knowledgeable on the game they start to notice the major flaws in MLS
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Never fail to look at the negative of anything relating to MLS. Why even respond to anything MLS related? You have nothing positive to say.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:14 pm to GhostofJackson
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This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:37 pm to Girth Donor
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30 teams in a top division where the country doesn't produce enough good players. The Don better loosen the foreign restrictions to basically non existent......but he won't or loosen the purse strings
Need to expand to 40, institute promotion/relegation w/ bottom 20 into MLS-2 for following season. Then regular 3/3 promotion relegation, adding USL under MLS-2
Posted on 5/20/23 at 1:38 pm to GhostofJackson
I’ve said positive things about the league but I am a realist
I am always excited about the youth coming out of the academy systems that goes abroad
I tried to explain to you before that those players a level below that are just not good enough and really don’t improve the league
We don’t produce enough domestic home grown talent for a league this big and the way the league is structured it’s not going to get that much better
Garber preached slow approach to MLS with everything except expansion bc well we know why. MLS is hemorrhaging money.
I am always excited about the youth coming out of the academy systems that goes abroad
I tried to explain to you before that those players a level below that are just not good enough and really don’t improve the league
We don’t produce enough domestic home grown talent for a league this big and the way the league is structured it’s not going to get that much better
Garber preached slow approach to MLS with everything except expansion bc well we know why. MLS is hemorrhaging money.
This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:58 am to Alyosha
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parking is free and the experience has the localized/family feel.
Won’t stay that way
Posted on 5/22/23 at 9:15 am to udtiger
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Need to expand to 40, institute promotion/relegation w/ bottom 20 into MLS-2 for following season. Then regular 3/3 promotion relegation, adding USL under MLS-2
This makes sense but will be a tough sell to new ownership groups being asked to pay an expansion fee. And if you decided not to charge new owner as much because of the possibility of relegation, you risk offending the owners that paid big money already.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 10:41 am to ProjectP2294
No chance for promotion, relegation.
Owners have to fork out 2 much cash to end up being relehat d after paying hundreds of millions.
This ain't like Europe, where you can buy smaller clubs or big fish in small leagues for tens of millions or less.
Owners have to fork out 2 much cash to end up being relehat d after paying hundreds of millions.
This ain't like Europe, where you can buy smaller clubs or big fish in small leagues for tens of millions or less.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 1:40 pm to SeeeeK
MLS franchises are mostly still new and don't sell out every game. Still boggles my mind people think pro/rel is a good idea on a product that's trying to build it's brand. Like as if SKC is going to be more popular because it'll be in MLS2 or USL next year. Galaxy would have been relegated several times recently too and they are one of the few recognizable teams in MLS to outsiders.
At the same time some people are acting like MLS teams are about to fail. Their valuations are going up faster than the money being spent on them. A team can get sold for close to 500 mil to a billion right now if they own their own stadium. It's like saying you lose money every month because of your IRA, totally ignoring the value of the money you are spending is more than you put in.
At the same time some people are acting like MLS teams are about to fail. Their valuations are going up faster than the money being spent on them. A team can get sold for close to 500 mil to a billion right now if they own their own stadium. It's like saying you lose money every month because of your IRA, totally ignoring the value of the money you are spending is more than you put in.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:34 pm to GhostofJackson
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A team can get sold for close to 500 mil to a billion right now if they own their own stadium. It's like saying you lose money every month because of your IRA, totally ignoring the value of the money you are spending is more than you put in.
This is bc of SUM and no penalties for being a shite owner with the closed system
You can literally make a frick ton of money despite your team sucking balls and operating in the red
Not the quality of MLS
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:53 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Mate, the MLS is in better shape than MLB and the NBA in the 70s.
Knowledgeable soccer lads like you and I know the product is subpar, but the vast majority of casual fans do not. The attendance continues to grow and at least one network will overpay for the broadcast rights when the contract is up.
Knowledgeable soccer lads like you and I know the product is subpar, but the vast majority of casual fans do not. The attendance continues to grow and at least one network will overpay for the broadcast rights when the contract is up.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:38 am to GhostofJackson
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MLS franchises are mostly still new and don't sell out every game. Still boggles my mind people think pro/rel is a good idea on a product that's trying to build it's brand. Like as if SKC is going to be more popular because it'll be in MLS2 or USL next year. Galaxy would have been relegated several times recently too and they are one of the few recognizable teams in MLS to outsiders.
The barrier to entry limits the growth potential of the game. We are a huge country in population but also geographically speaking. Every major city in every state should have at least one club team with an academy setup. This is how the game is grown from the youth on up
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:43 am to etm512
Who is stopping cities from having teams? USL exists.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:29 pm to GhostofJackson
And yet we still have a ton of cities without teams. And the USL is a separate entity from MLS so the money isn't there for development
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:00 pm to etm512
I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's the MLS responsibility to bring teams to different cities?
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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You can literally make a frick ton of money despite your team sucking balls and operating in the red
Wait, so are they hemorrhaging money or making money
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