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re: San Diego awarded 30th MLS team
Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:51 pm to GhostofJackson
Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:51 pm to GhostofJackson
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Where is your simple list of "yes this is done well" posts?
The in stadium experience for most of the league is much better than it was even 10 or 12 years ago
The quality of play has stagnated recently but it’s improved from the Beckham days obviously
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At the end of the day you guys won't get your wish to see pro rel anytime soon
This is true, and if they were doing most everything else right I could probably look the other way on this, at least to some degree. I listed 3 things they could easily fix on page 2 or 3, respond to that.
The problem is they want to run an American style league in a world where America isn’t the dominant force in that sport. I don’t have a problem with the model for the most part when it’s the NFL or NBA. But this is a totally different landscape and to ignore that is myopic at best.
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:56 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:We have a widespread academy program for the first time ever that will undoubtedly raise the talent level as these kids start training as youngsters like it’s done in Europe.
Problem is the mids are not that good
Posted on 5/25/23 at 7:46 am to GhostofJackson
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Is there a greater than 0 percent chance Pro/Rel does the opposite of what you think happens and we end up with teams in lower divisions being bankrupted because the teams that get promoted and relegated into their division create a massive travel disparity? Imagine a division of 20 teams and it so happens a team from, say FL gets promoted into a division with 14 teams west of New Mexico?
This is all hypothetical of course because we all know it's never happening. But with our massive country you would have to have pro/rel within the conferences. 2 western teams go down, 2 western aligned team come up. So on and so forth
At the end of the day, I just want our domestic league to develop the most of amount of talent possible for our national team. Going back 20-30 years our top talent was pulled from a handful of states. Fast forward to now and the development has improved, but we still haven't cast as wide of a net across the entire country as one would hope
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:44 am to saderade
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We have a widespread academy program for the first time ever that will undoubtedly raise the talent level as these kids start training as youngsters like it’s done in Europe.
I’m super excited about the start of academies but they are still not being close to the standard that they are in Europe
Yea sure the Philly U-16 beat Madrids U-14 B squad but a lot of the euro academy coaches say they are still seeing the same thing with the development of American players when they play against them. Heavy reliance on athleticism and not much on the technical side. That’s a big reason why the level of kids who don’t bolt to Europe at the first chance they get isn’t that great.
Lots of soccer in this country is still about just have better athletes than the other team.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 5:14 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Ehhhhh If franchise value is your metric sure
I know you know everything else comes from that
It’s not like true blue sporting clubs have a chance to reach the Premier League. They top out in League 1. After that, it’s a business
Posted on 5/29/23 at 4:14 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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No it wouldn’t It actually forces you to put out a competitive squad or at least try and improve your talent bc if you don’t. Well you pay the consequences. While in MLS you can suck balls and literally nothing happens. Some owners have repeatedly show they just don’t care.
All other things being equal, pro/rel would improve the talent level. The problem with implementing pro/rel is no one with the financial means to pay for that talent would be interested in acquiring a team.
It’s a catch 22. Pro/rel promotes top to bottom competition, but the owners who have the money to buy the best players do anything and everything to avoid that competition.
Regardless, if MLS is going to be adamantly against Pro/Rel, they need to find some other way to make the regular season compelling. There just isn’t any reason to watch a non local team in the regular season, and I’m sure as hell not watching MLS over football season in the fall.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 6:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Yea sure the Philly U-16 beat Madrids U-14 B squad
I don’t get your compulsive need to denigrate anything this league does. MLS academy teams regularly trounce academy teams from other countries. Philly, Dallas, NYRB, NYCFC, LAG, San Jose, Seattle, etc routinely put out competitive teams that win tournaments with academies from la liga, EPL, Liga MX, etc. Arsenal’s U15s just gotten beaten by Philly’s U15/14 team with a 13 year old being Philly’s best player (and best on the pitch).
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a lot of the euro academy coaches say they are still seeing the same thing with the development of American players when they play against them.
Uh huh. You got a lot of euro academy coach friends? Because this flies in the face of evidence to the contrary. Benfica doesn’t want to buy Wynder because he’s athletic. Same for euro teams buying Aaronson (x2), Adams, Pepi, Booth, Richards, etc. The floor level of our player pool has increased tremendously over the past decade and much of that is thanks to MLS, though it may hurt you to admit.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 1:53 pm to cwil177
The SD Loyal are folding after this season
Posted on 9/2/23 at 1:58 pm to cwil177
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don’t get your compulsive need to denigrate anything this league does. MLS academy teams regularly trounce academy teams from other countries. Philly, Dallas, NYRB, NYCFC, LAG, San Jose, Seattle, etc routinely put out competitive teams that win tournaments with academies from la liga, EPL, Liga MX, etc. Arsenal’s U15s just gotten beaten by Philly’s U15/14 team with a 13 year old being Philly’s best player (and best on the pitch).
These are not vs the top level youth teams that a lot of the European clubs have. But it’s without a doubt a step in the right direction
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Uh huh. You got a lot of euro academy coach friends? Because this flies in the face of evidence to the contrary. Benfica doesn’t want to buy Wynder because he’s athletic. Same for euro teams buying Aaronson (x2), Adams, Pepi, Booth, Richards, etc. The floor level of our player pool has increased tremendously over the past decade and much of that is thanks to MLS, though it may hurt you to admit.
You have a handful of outliers in a pool of hundreds of players
On the mass level they brought that up. Of course there are individual players who break the mold of the typical American player.
Those players are increasing and go overseas
The ones who stay are not so good
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 2:02 pm
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