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re: Zelensky: Ukrainian loss could force US to choose between ‘collapse of NATO’ or war

Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:28 pm to
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

collapse of NATO


Works for me. Those smug euros can handle their own defense.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13349 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

“And they will start war with one of the NATO countries, and at this moment, the U.S. would have to choose the collapse of NATO or go to war.”


That would be a feature, not a bug. I can't think of a single reason for the US to be a NATO member. Russia is a major trade partner for nearly every member. Why would we need to protect them from their own trade partner?

We need to throw a large base or two in Poland and one or two other countries that actually appreciate it, and call it a day. Save trillions of dollars.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21934 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:39 pm to
False binary choice

There is a 3rd option

frick Ukraine and still support NATO
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46182 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:41 pm to
If the EU did not care enough to make serious preparations for protecting their own backyard why am I suppose to care?
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5198 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:49 pm to
Put me down for collapse
Posted by Spasweezy
Unfortunately, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
6621 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:50 pm to
That little midget tyrant has Biden by his old saggy scrotum.
Posted by coldbeerfan
Orange Beach RTR Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
814 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:02 pm to
And where the frick was NATO when we were getting shot at in Mogadishu. Piss on um.



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Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57278 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:11 pm to
I'll take "Collapse of NATO" for five-hundred, Volodymyr!
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
7330 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:19 pm to
Americans today:

Ukraine fighting for its freedom from oppressive Russia is a good thing

The Southern States fighting for its freedom from an oppressive North, unacceptable.

Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
28631 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:21 pm to
Seems like a simple arse choice to me.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26492 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:23 pm to
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And where the frick was NATO when we were getting shot at in Mogadishu. Piss on um.

What does that have to do with this situation? NATO's defense obligations only cover attacks on member states in Europe or North America.
Posted by der Spasvogel
Member since Jan 2021
44 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:43 pm to
frick Zelensky and frick NATO
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50580 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 5:51 pm to
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Your view of good and evil is indeed skewed if you support the aggressor in an illegal war and it is a totalitarian state led by Putin mounting the aggression.


"Illegal" war? Define "legal" war.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12406 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 5:53 pm to
Option A.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13445 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 6:49 pm to
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However, I will ask why you or anyone, based solely on your views as a human and not a US citizen, would think Ukraine should just give in and bend over to forced Russian aggression.


A better question might be....why do we insist on spending 100s of billions in Ukraine, far greater atrocities are happening all over the world and we dont do jack sht about it. The chinese have enslaved a million of their people, our meddling in Sudan/South Sudan thanks to George Clooney and boma has caused a disaster there, burma, yemen, yet nothing. For some odd reason we want to start a world war over a country with a gdp smaller than Texas and we wont lift a finger to stop the invasion in that state, why???

Edit: Sorry I just saw your next post, seems we are on the same page.
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 7:02 pm
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13445 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 6:50 pm to
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He really should start turning to the nightclub owners for money. The nightclub and bar scenes are thriving in Ukraine


Why would he ask himself for money, 400 million in diesel kickbacks from Russia buys a lot of nightclubs, and that is just the diesel, now the weapons that is where he is making real money.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
8014 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 6:52 pm to
frick NATO
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13445 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 6:59 pm to
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What does that have to do with this situation? NATO's defense obligations only cover attacks on member states in Europe or North America


It also states they will spend 2% of GDP on defense, where are they on that for the last several decades????????????

Thats what I thought, we should have bolted from that bullshite the first time a country short paid.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48964 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 7:01 pm to
Zelensky should be eliminated.
Posted by lsunatchamp
Member since Feb 2009
2025 posts
Posted on 6/16/23 at 7:04 pm to
Just tell me where the matches are, I'll go burn the building down
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