re: You Cannot Legislate Gun Violence Away Without Ending The 2nd Amendment

There is a outcry to do SOMETHING.

Doing nothing seems unacceptable.

But nothing proposed in this thread and on this board and by most politicians this week will end gun violence and mass shootings.

Your grasp of the history here is comically poor.

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you can't own a bazooka, rocket-propelled grenades, tanks, etc.

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You most certainly own a tank or a grenade launcher. You have to follow the National Firearms Act, which I believe requires you to register the weapon with ATFe and pay a tax.

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You Cannot Legislate Gun Violence Away Without Ending The 2nd Amendment
That is a fact.


That is not a fact, it's utter bullshite.

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Perhaps your post is utter bullshite since you apparently don't know much about firearm laws in the USA.

I wish that the debate centered on amending and/or repealing the 2nd amendment. Not that I’m in favor, but it’s where the debate belongs. All of the proposed solutions violate the 2nd without addressing it.

We should hold the Constitution up as non-negotiable other than through amendment, which we should be more willing to do when enough consensus is there.

I think the Constitution, for example, should be amended for the common sense “Fire in a theater” and “flame thrower/nuclear missles/etc” type exceptions to the 1st and 2nd that a true vast majority of people consent to. Right now they are used as precedent setting loop holes for ignoring Constitutional rights when convenient.

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Not only can't you own nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons, you can't own a bazooka, rocket-propelled grenades, tanks, etc. I

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And I disagree with that.

In the state where I live the last time I bought a gun I showed my drivers license and my concealed carry permit. I filled out the paperwork and walked out of the store with my new gun.

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It would end us, as a free republic.

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That is the objective of many people.

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Your grasp of the history here is comically poor.

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Nah. It's exactly right. The Bill of Rights was explicitly constructed as a constraint on federal power. It was only "incorporated" to apply to the states 100+ years later. Literally, any of the states back in the day could have banned guns outright in their state constitutions and it would have been entirely federally constitutional.

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If you want to end gun violence pass a law that if a person either uses or has in possession a firearm of any kind in commission of a crime you receive a 5 year jail sentence to be served in its entirety before what ever sentence you revive for the original crime. No bond. In jail until your trial. Within two years gun crimes would be down by 75%. Or more.

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So no one can hunt for food anymore?

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The States already stated the rights in their own constitutions

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I chose a state at random to test your claim.

Here is a LINK to the New York Constitution of 1777, which was extant when the BoR was passed in 1789 and ratified in 1791.

The only section on arms is the following:

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XL. And whereas it is of the utmost importance to the safety of every State that it should always be in a condition of defence; and it is the duty of every man who enjoys the protection of society to be prepared and willing to defend it; this convention therefore, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, doth ordain, determine, and declare that the militia of this State, at all times hereafter, as well in peace as in war, shall be armed and disciplined, and in readiness for service. That all such of the inhabitants of this State being of the people called Quakers as, from scruples of conscience, may be averse to the bearing of arms, be therefrom excused by the legislature; and do pay to the State such sums of money, in lieu of their personal service, as the same; may, in the judgment of the legislature, be worth.(12) And that a proper magazine of warlike stores, proportionate to the number of inhabitants, be, forever hereafter, at the expense of this State, and by acts of the legislature, established, maintained, and continued in every county in this State.

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It establishes a constitutional militia, exempts the Quakers from serving in the militia (in lieu of cash payment) and establishes a state and county arsenal.

I see nothing in here in accord with your claim that the states already had codified the individual right to bear arms.