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You Cannot Legislate Gun Violence Away Without Ending The 2nd Amendment
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:46 am
That is a fact.
We are going to hear a massive amount of political grandstanding and virtue signaling this week from political opportunists and “concerned” gun owners who are seeking nothing other than to exploit these tragedies to further a political objective or to self promote their virtuous beliefs.
Remember that.
We will read and hear calls of banning “assault rifles” or “long rifles.” Okay. What do you think will be the reaction after the next mass killing like the one in Killeen, where the attacker used a pistol and a revolver to shoot 36 people? Or Virginia Tech, where the attacker shot 56 people with two handguns? The reaction will be more demands for more legislation to end gun violence, of course. This outcome is not difficult to forecast.
Moreover, what do you do when an attacker(s) kills 8 people with a pair of shotguns? What do you do when an attacker stabs 5 people as has happened in Britain?
A shooter may have no documented history of mental illness or a criminal record. What will be the reaction when an evil person with no record of violent crime or mental illness shoots 50 people to death?
We live in a nation of 350M people. Many of those people are mentally ill, socially isolated, emotionally stunted, hateful, and evil. I don’t have the answers to solving the existence of gun violence in our society. I think they may be found somewhere in mental and social outreach, awareness, and intervention. How those possible solutions are found and implemented, I’m unsure.
The possibility of violence is a consequence of living in a free society, where we enjoy individual freedoms. You cannot legislate away gun violence without doing away with the 2nd Amendment and giving up individual freedom. When you hear someone call for Congress to “end gun violence now,” make no mistake, they are calling for an end to the 2nd Amendment because no legislation that Congress would enact from these tragedies will end gun violence. Those that call for such action see it only as a first step.
Remember that.
We are going to hear a massive amount of political grandstanding and virtue signaling this week from political opportunists and “concerned” gun owners who are seeking nothing other than to exploit these tragedies to further a political objective or to self promote their virtuous beliefs.
Remember that.
We will read and hear calls of banning “assault rifles” or “long rifles.” Okay. What do you think will be the reaction after the next mass killing like the one in Killeen, where the attacker used a pistol and a revolver to shoot 36 people? Or Virginia Tech, where the attacker shot 56 people with two handguns? The reaction will be more demands for more legislation to end gun violence, of course. This outcome is not difficult to forecast.
Moreover, what do you do when an attacker(s) kills 8 people with a pair of shotguns? What do you do when an attacker stabs 5 people as has happened in Britain?
A shooter may have no documented history of mental illness or a criminal record. What will be the reaction when an evil person with no record of violent crime or mental illness shoots 50 people to death?
We live in a nation of 350M people. Many of those people are mentally ill, socially isolated, emotionally stunted, hateful, and evil. I don’t have the answers to solving the existence of gun violence in our society. I think they may be found somewhere in mental and social outreach, awareness, and intervention. How those possible solutions are found and implemented, I’m unsure.
The possibility of violence is a consequence of living in a free society, where we enjoy individual freedoms. You cannot legislate away gun violence without doing away with the 2nd Amendment and giving up individual freedom. When you hear someone call for Congress to “end gun violence now,” make no mistake, they are calling for an end to the 2nd Amendment because no legislation that Congress would enact from these tragedies will end gun violence. Those that call for such action see it only as a first step.
Remember that.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:48 am to LuckyTiger
Which is why I don't see how so many people immediately reject any theory that the government somehow helps aid these mass shootings in some way, in order to push the issue on their gun grabbing agendas.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:51 am to airlinehwypanhandler
What most don't realize is that the vast majority of the States have 2nd Amendment analogs written into their own constitutions. Most of which are much more explicit in protecting the right to keep and bear arms.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:52 am to LuckyTiger
The closed down the mental hospitals because they were cruel. This is the result. Don't see what it has to do with my constructional rights
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:55 am to LuckyTiger
You could repeal the 2nd amendment tomorrow, and it still won't stop all the guns coming across the border, stolen weapons, etc.
You have to find a way to stop putting guns in criminals / crazy people hands. But guns are way too common in this country for that to happen.
Therefore, the only solution is to control the crazy people so they can never get a gun in their hand.
You have to find a way to stop putting guns in criminals / crazy people hands. But guns are way too common in this country for that to happen.
Therefore, the only solution is to control the crazy people so they can never get a gun in their hand.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:01 am to Clames
quote:They would have had to have had that given T2A as intended ONLY to restrict federal abridging of gun rights. States were free to enact full bans if they wanted to.
What most don't realize is that the vast majority of the States have 2nd Amendment analogs written into their own constitutions. Most of which are much more explicit in protecting the right to keep and bear arms.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:05 am to LuckyTiger
quote:
You Cannot Legislate Gun Violence Away Without Ending The 2nd Amendment
That is a fact.
That is not a fact, it's utter bullshite.
Your right to bear arms is already very restricted. Not only can't you own nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons, you can't own a bazooka, rocket-propelled grenades, tanks, etc. If we want to add assault rifles to that list and keep the 2nd Amendment, we can totally do that.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:06 am to LuckyTiger
Complete nonsense. Nobody is doing away with 2nd amendment.
Just passing the damn laws that have already been passed by the house would help. There is no magic bullet to “fix” this issue.
No person to person gun sales without a background check, expanding the background check an additional 10 days to ensure the check clears and adding red flag abilities would help. The Dayton shooter would have been a red flag example. He threatened to kill people in HS.
Mental health is absolutely a part of the issue and we don’t provide enough support for services/care in this country.
Nobody is coming to take our guns.
Just passing the damn laws that have already been passed by the house would help. There is no magic bullet to “fix” this issue.
No person to person gun sales without a background check, expanding the background check an additional 10 days to ensure the check clears and adding red flag abilities would help. The Dayton shooter would have been a red flag example. He threatened to kill people in HS.
Mental health is absolutely a part of the issue and we don’t provide enough support for services/care in this country.
Nobody is coming to take our guns.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:06 am to LuckyTiger
I may have to take a boat trip in a storm soon
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:08 am to LSUFanHouston
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it still won't stop all the guns coming across the border, stolen weapons, etc.
probably a billion here already and you feign concern for illegal imports.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:08 am to 995webmaster
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Not only can't you own nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons, you can't own a bazooka, rocket-propelled grenades, tanks,
None of those are considered ‘arms’ in this context speedy. Try again
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:10 am to CelticDog
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probably a billion here already and you feign concern for illegal imports.
Even if they somehow "took our guns" there's nothing stopping the supply from being replenished via the open border.
That's what I meant.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:18 am to 995webmaster
quote:
That is not a fact, it's utter bullshite. Your right to bear arms is already very restricted. Not only can't you own nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons, you can't own a bazooka, rocket-propelled grenades, tanks, etc. If we want to add assault rifles to that list and keep the 2nd Amendment, we can totally do that.
Adding an assault rifle ban will not end gun violence and mass shootings, as I clearly pointed out with examples in my post and is the point of my thread, as clearly stated in my thread title You Cannot Legislate Gun Violence Away Without Ending The 2nd Amendment
But you know that. You’re simply being dishonest, as usual.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:19 am to 995webmaster
Or you suck at reading comp.
I don’t think you’re an idiot though.
I think you’re a dishonest hack.
I don’t think you’re an idiot though.
I think you’re a dishonest hack.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:21 am to PubeCrab
quote:
No person to person gun sales without a background check, expanding the background check an additional 10 days to ensure the check clears and adding red flag abilities would help.
This will not end gun violence and mass shootings.
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Nobody is coming to take our guns.
If you want to end gun violence and mass shootings as best possible, taking guns is the only way.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:36 am to LuckyTiger
If you want to end gun violence pass a law that if a person either uses or has in possession a firearm of any kind in commission of a crime you receive a 5 year jail sentence to be served in its entirety before what ever sentence you revive for the original crime.
No bond. In jail until your trial.
Within two years gun crimes would be down by 75%. Or more.
No bond. In jail until your trial.
Within two years gun crimes would be down by 75%. Or more.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:39 am to Herman Frisco
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If you want to end gun violence pass a law that if a person either uses or has in possession a firearm of any kind in commission of a crime you receive a 5 year jail sentence to be served in its entirety before what ever sentence you revive for the original crime. No bond. In jail until your trial. Within two years gun crimes would be down by 75%. Or more.
How do you stop gun violence by those that have no intention of being around to go to jail?
Such as the Virginia Tech shooter or the Las Vegas shooter or the Columbine shooters?
Or any future shooter?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:40 am to PubeCrab
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No person to person gun sales without a background check
What will this stop? Who will enforce private party background checks? Oh, by the way, did you know that this is already law for AR-style rifles?
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expanding the background check an additional 10 days to ensure the check clears
What does 10 days mean? They already have a delay and additional research process in place.
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adding red flag abilities would help
No it wouldn't, all it would do would be to further infringe on the rights of nonviolent and law abiding gun owners.
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Nobody is coming to take our guns.
You are not a Second Amendment supporter, so don't include yourself.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:41 am to Herman Frisco
quote:
If you want to end gun violence pass a law that if a person either uses or has in possession a firearm of any kind in commission of a crime you receive a 5 year jail sentence to be served in its entirety before what ever sentence you revive for the original crime.
No bond. In jail until your trial.
I feel sorry for the CCW guy who gets a speeding ticket.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:42 am to LuckyTiger
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You Cannot Legislate Gun Violence Away
You could've just stopped here.
Criminals break the law. Passing more laws doesn't stop criminals.
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