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Yale admissions officer tweeting how she is going to get around new ruling

Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
47457 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:36 pm
Pathetic

“THREAD. Admissions officer here IMO Harvard/UNC opinion is much narrower than I expected it to be and impact will be much less than I see a lot of people suggesting -- and possibly give institutions MORE ability to curate classes based on diversity interests

2. The implicit question here and the one the justices disagree on is this: Can race be a proxy for experience? Harvard/UNC/dissent says yes, majority says no, these can be bifurcated: race can't be a proxy, but an individual story of how race has shaped person CAN be considered

3. There are implications here: It means that applicants whose identity is shaped by race will need to articulate that explicitly in order for it to be taken into account. This is an added burden on the applicant. But, most apps include a supplemental diversity essay already

4. However, it seems to me that in making more explicit *how* a students' background impacts experience/perspective, schools will have a much easier time DEFENDING why race mattered in admitting that person...and test scores, etc. become less of the comparison point

5. My point is that this decision seems to be giving MORE latitude for subjective and holistic admissions decisions, as long as they are defensible on a case by case basis. It becomes harder to argue that X should not have been admitted over Y, as SFFA did here

6. Other implication is that institutions can't monitor overall racial composition of a class in admissions process (though it may in other respects, i.e., gender, geography, socioeconomics, etc.). So "diversity in aggregate" (representation) can't be a conscious consideration

7. This might be the more problematic point, but it's notable that Harvard/UNC did not seem to be arguing that there is an inherent diversity benefit by having a class racial composition mirror the larger society or applicant pool from which it draws. Not sure why they didn't

8. But in the end, this doesn't categorically bar consideration of race (which it could have), and it is limited to admissions process: Doesn't seem to bar schools from increasing diversity recruitment based on race, or having yield programs targeted for admitted minorities”

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This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 12:37 pm
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
22126 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:37 pm to
She/he's and unapologetic racist.
Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
11838 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:41 pm to
If gender isn’t binary neither is race. Just explain your struggles as a trans racial person and call them bigots if they say you’re lying.
Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
13247 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:42 pm to
There should be consequences for law breakers.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
47457 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:42 pm to
That last one (number 8) jumps out at me the most. “And once we get them in we are going to discriminate like crazy to get them in to special programs that won’t be accessible to other races.” Wow
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:42 pm to
It's amazing that they'll whine endlessly about "loopholes" on gun control, then pull shite like this.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
125813 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:43 pm to
Weird how she is clearly targeting one race to admit
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7863 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:43 pm to
Your Honor, I'd like to present Exhibit A as evidence to the court...
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6878 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:46 pm to
So he/she is ok with Jim Crow Laws to circumvent a neutral race policy.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
105407 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:47 pm to
Ivy schools did this back in the day.

It was a “gentleman’s C” and allowing people to move over into “soft” majors if they couldn’t hack it at the subject they were originally studying.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
92723 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:47 pm to
She comes off as a loser simp dude who goes around trying to save slutty independent chicks.

The white lady saving poor little blacks version of the above.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
42099 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:50 pm to
Why do libs always write

quote:

[insert job title] here


Whenever I see job + here I know to immediately disregard whatever I am about to read. It's so reddit.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21703 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:53 pm to
Probably not a great idea to tweet about how you plan to continue to discriminate against certain students. All she’s done is open her school up to lawsuits from students who fail to get in. Her dumbass made herself a liability to whatever institution she works with by putting it in writing
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
64226 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:53 pm to
“ no one is above the law… except for us.”
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
64226 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:54 pm to
Reading all that is pretty incredible. Sounds just like Southern Democrats opposing integration in the late 60s.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
60534 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Pathetic

“THREAD. Admissions officer here IMO Harvard/UNC opinion is much narrower than I expected it to be and impact will be much less than I see a lot of people suggesting -- and possibly give institutions MORE ability to curate classes based on diversity interests

2. The implicit question here and the one the justices disagree on is this: Can race be a proxy for experience? Harvard/UNC/dissent says yes, majority says no, these can be bifurcated: race can't be a proxy, but an individual story of how race has shaped person CAN be considered

3. There are implications here: It means that applicants whose identity is shaped by race will need to articulate that explicitly in order for it to be taken into account. This is an added burden on the applicant. But, most apps include a supplemental diversity essay already

4. However, it seems to me that in making more explicit *how* a students' background impacts experience/perspective, schools will have a much easier time DEFENDING why race mattered in admitting that person...and test scores, etc. become less of the comparison point

5. My point is that this decision seems to be giving MORE latitude for subjective and holistic admissions decisions, as long as they are defensible on a case by case basis. It becomes harder to argue that X should not have been admitted over Y, as SFFA did here

6. Other implication is that institutions can't monitor overall racial composition of a class in admissions process (though it may in other respects, i.e., gender, geography, socioeconomics, etc.). So "diversity in aggregate" (representation) can't be a conscious consideration

7. This might be the more problematic point, but it's notable that Harvard/UNC did not seem to be arguing that there is an inherent diversity benefit by having a class racial composition mirror the larger society or applicant pool from which it draws. Not sure why they didn't

8. But in the end, this doesn't categorically bar consideration of race (which it could have), and it is limited to admissions process: Doesn't seem to bar schools from increasing diversity recruitment based on race, or having yield programs targeted for admitted minorities”


Translation: we are bound and determined to view and treat people according to how we think and feel about their race.

There's a word for that...
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:59 pm to
I hope they do continue race based admission and get sued into oblivion. 80% or more of these self proclaimed higher learning institutions are anything but that, and should be shut down.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21703 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:01 pm to
I’d bet my last dollar that as we speak right now internet sleuths are digging up every bit of info on her right now. They’ll find her employer rather quickly and then the show will begin
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
47457 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:09 pm to
DC Draino said it is Yale
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
84091 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:09 pm to

I guess she's never heard of how 'disparate impact' works.
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