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re: Would you classify laws defunding police and scaling back criminal laws as "right wing"?
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:33 am to Flats
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:33 am to Flats
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A Venn diagram would have some overlap.
Agreed.
Just as traditional left-liberals would also have some overlap in a Venn diagram with libertarianism (the policies I'm choosing ITT).
The definition that "left = more government" means that the current DEMs are on the right at the same location as Republicans, and I REALLY don't think people would agree with that.
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Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:34 am to dgnx6
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Anarchy doesn’t mean there are no laws.
I said big-L Libertarian, so there wouldn't really be laws. And that's how "right wing" was defined (again, not by me).
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:34 am to prouddawg
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No more libertarian.
That or center-left.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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The definition that "left = more government" means that the current DEMs are on the right at the same location as Republicans,
You were talking about "right wing", now you're talking about Republicans.
If you would just spell out the point you're trying to make you might could save some bandwidth.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:37 am to Flats
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You were talking about "right wing", now you're talking about Republicans.
I did not put Republicans as "right wing" (using that definition). They'd be center left, in the same position as Democrats (The Venn diagram you referenced).
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If you would just spell out the point you're trying to make you might could save some bandwidth.
I already said it
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Someone made a claim yesterday that "right wing" means "Libertarianism (big-L, anarchism).
...and you responded to it.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Someone made a claim yesterday that "right wing" means "Libertarianism (big-L, anarchism).
In some sense it is the extreme of conservative.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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What about removing laws …
that ban lobbying? Yes, let’s do that…. starting with the trial lawyers association, then the American medical association..
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro
You've got me very curious as to who would call that stuff right wing.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:42 am to Jake88
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In some sense it is the extreme of conservative.
And liberal.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:43 am to Wolfwireless
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You've got me very curious as to who would call that stuff right wing.
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putting autocracy to the "left" means that anarchy is the "right"
Of course.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:43 am to DiamondDog
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Already starting with this BS on a Monday morning.
Just dont bite. Give an answer, ignore the retort.
He's fishing for something that doesnt exist here.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:43 am to Jake88
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In some sense it is the extreme of conservative.
I disagree. It’s the extreme of “small government”, but that’s just a conservative plank. It’s not the entire platform.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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This would naturally be included in a reduction in police power/criminal laws.
Absolutely not.
The overarching reasoning determines the details.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:46 am to Flats
quote:That's why I said "in some sense."
It’s the extreme of “small government”, but that’s just a conservative plank. It’s not the entire platform
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:Your parameters are way to broad.. Not really. Had I wanted to be inflammatory I'd have used terms like BLM
Then why did you edit the OP to add more?
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Absolutely not.
The overarching reasoning determines the details.
I never took you for a big "virtue signaling" guy, Rog.
The impacts of the policy are what matters, not how pols frame the need/expected results of the policy. Do you think the War on Drugs was really about drugs? Or the War on Terror was really about terror? C'mon Rog, you're better than that.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:48 am to TROLA
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Then why did you edit the OP to add more?
People seemed confused about a simple question so I added more Left-libertarianism to OP.
OP is a collection of areas where what we consider "the right" traditionally wants expanded government. I just added more examples.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Would you classify laws defunding police and scaling back criminal laws as "right wing"? OR "conservative"?
It's going to depend on each law. For instance, current laws enabling CAF are fricking ridiculous and need to be scaled way the frick back. See also: Qualified Immunity.
In other instances that laws actually need to be enforced (illegal possession of firearms, for instance, is one of the most pled charges out there).
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What about removing laws ensuring that marriage remains traditional between a man and a woman?
Yes, definitely a conservative stance with fewer conservatives being as hard-core on it as time goes on.
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Or other public order/enforcement of morality laws?
Which laws aren't morality based?
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Or what about wholescale scaling back our national security and defense spending/power below that of where Europe is, currently.
That's more along the lines of wanting to stop being the world's policeman, but it's only a symptom of a bigger issue: being the world's sugar daddy. Out of the 195 countries in the world, the US government sends money to ~150. Many of these countries then turn around and chide us for imaginary slights and demean us for not providing universal healthcare, public transportation, etc. Part of our growing debt is because the federal government has allowed them to leach so much from us for so long while simultaneously framing it as a cloak of glory because we're helping to keep another World War from breaking out.
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Removing regulations/security at the border?
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:50 am to TROLA
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Your parameters are way to broad.. you provided no context to what you think the terms mean and simply want to catch people in some word play.
When SFP is attempting a childishly semantic gotcha you know it's one of those days when the sun rises in the east.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Without derailing your thread here, suffice it to say someone dropped a post in that thread which you should read.
Someone made a claim yesterday that "right wing" means "Libertarianism (big-L, anarchism).
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