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re: Would you classify laws defunding police and scaling back criminal laws as "right wing"?
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:52 am to Wolfwireless
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:52 am to Wolfwireless
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You've got me very curious as to who would call that stuff right wing.
Individual liberty is the root of right wing politics. Or has been until the past few years.
I'm not for allowing people to steal $900 a pop with no felony and I am FOR mass incarceration of repeat theft and one off homicide.
Pro death penalty.
Reduce the drug bullshite, and we need fewer cops on the road pulling citizen over. To me thats where we violate individual rights. When you drive they wait for you to make a mistake and then try to nail you.
The "no cash bail" and reduced sentencing for theft are things I wil never go along with. Our system fails us and is a revolving door. Keep violent people and thieves in prison, let those who behave be free.
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Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So, ask that person.
Someone made a claim yesterday that "right wing" means "Libertarianism (big-L, anarchism).
You know the answers to the questions you posed in the OP, as those same questions and discussions have occurred on here innumerable times over the decades.
Just get you gotcha point across so that we can move passed your want to inflate your post count by responding to every post in this thread.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 7:55 am to Bard
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For instance, current laws enabling CAF
Just FWIW, those are civil laws (hence the C)
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In other instances that laws actually need to be enforced (illegal possession of firearms, for instance, is one of the most pled charges out there).
That is what OP was referencing
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Which laws aren't morality based?
Well that's where the discussion goes, typically, when discussing all sorts of laws, but criminal laws in particular.
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That's more along the lines of wanting to stop being the world's policeman
No I said national security, not international security (which would clearly also be scaled back but that's a controversial topic for "conservatism" post-2016, so I left it out intentionally)
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:00 am to Scruffy
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You know the answers to the questions you posed in the OP, as those same questions and discussions have occurred on here innumerable times over the decades.
Yes that's why I picked specific examples with lots of threads to reference
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Just get you gotcha point
Does not exist.
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your want to inflate your post count
Also does not exist.
I'm going to ask Chicken to give me the Rocks treatment to avoid this silliness.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:00 am to Wolfwireless
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You've got me very curious as to who would call that stuff right wing.
Both right and left can be followed to ridiculous extremes. The fallacy lies in the claim that the ridiculous right-wing extreme is fascism. It's not. It's anarchy. This is not endorsement of anarchy, simply an observation that fascism, communism, and all authoritarianism lie on the left.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:00 am to Scruffy
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So, ask that person.
Nah, he wants to generalize and insult all conservatives.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
That describes left side politics Slo. Left wing baby
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:02 am to shinerfan
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Both right and left can be followed to ridiculous extremes
Correct.
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The fallacy lies in the claim that the ridiculous right-wing extreme is fascism. It's not. It's anarchy.
Then OP is a bunch of "right wing" positions.
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fascism, communism, and all authoritarianism lie on the left.
So MAGA and the GOPE are Leftism?
Because on your scale, they're on the left (along with the DEMs)
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:02 am to themunch
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That describes left side politics Slo. Left wing baby
Correct
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
So what sort of straw man are you constructing today?
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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So MAGA and the GOPE are Leftism?
On an absolute scale? Yes, somewhat left of center. The American Right comes nowhere close to that ridiculous extreme of anarchy. But the American Left is all in on authoritarianism.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:08 am to dgnx6
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Anarchy doesn’t mean there are no laws.
Stop being stupid.
One of the definitions for anarchy is chaos. Which is what most people think of, when they hear or see the word. And yes, there Are chaos anarchists.
But the very core belief in all anarchists, is the belief in freedom. Freedom from being told what to do, what to think, what a person can or cannot say.
People think of anarchists, and they think of the posers running around at BLM riots.
But anarchist are like every other political side of the table. They range from ultra conservative, to ultra radical. To the right, and to the left.
It's a concept that has a Lot of misconception in societal views.
I'm going to use an example. Gen X. Many of us in Gen X would be called anarchists. Because we don't give a frick. We don't give a frick that we could get arrested for popping some loudmouth in the face, for getting up in our face. We don't care if we break that law, and are therefore deemed anarchists.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:09 am to shinerfan
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On an absolute scale? Yes, somewhat left of center.
I found my next thread on this topic
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The American Right comes nowhere close to that ridiculous extreme of anarchy.
This effectively doesn't really exist in any scale, based on your definition.
Small-L libertarians get like sub-5% of the vote in major elections and even within the parties they're sparse.
It would also mean that me and a very small set of posters on here are the only ones on the right, and the rest are leftists. Don't think many would agree with that.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:09 am to shinerfan
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On an absolute scale? Yes, somewhat left of center.
MAGA is just 1960 Democrat politics.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:10 am to BugAC
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So what sort of straw man are you constructing today?
I don't construct strawmen and none are being done ITT.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's more along the lines of wanting to stop being the world's policeman
No I said national security, not international security (which would clearly also be scaled back but that's a controversial topic for "conservatism" post-2016, so I left it out intentionally)
It can't be segregated out as that is considered to be part of national security (ie: we're more secure because we're helping to keep the world more secure). The path here should be to scale back foreign involvement, then remove that excess bureaucracy. The funds from that move could then go to bolstering domestic defense as well as paying down some of the debt.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Libertarian and Conservative are different points, not spectral directions. Far right/conservative is not far right spectrum. The term is more than likely is a leftist categorization, and a sloppy one at that.
"far right/conservative"
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 8:52 am
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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OR "conservative"?
Generally, it seems you are confusing libertarian and conservative
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:43 am to DiamondDog
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Already starting with this BS on a Monday morning.
At least it’s not just another regurgitated tweet or MSM bs clickbait thread. If either of those entities are involved the content is irrelevant as neither cover anything important in any honest way.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 8:43 am to Jimbeaux
Right wing is individual, left wing is collective.
Those are the big differences.
Communist "anarchism" still has controls. No religion, no individual property, etc.
Those are the big differences.
Communist "anarchism" still has controls. No religion, no individual property, etc.
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