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re: Would you attend a church that installed Flock cameras?

Posted on 8/18/26 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by CountryVolFan
Knoxville, TN
Member since Dec 2008
3106 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 7:46 pm to
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This makes no sense. The only reason you could possibly feel unsafe in a church is with the exceedingly rare situation where some crazy goes in there and shoots the place up. A flock camera isn't stopping that. How exactly does a flock camera make you feel safer in a church? Walk us through the logic here.


We've had drug addicts bust out car windows while we were at worship, looking for purses.

We have regular security cameras mainly for that reason, but also because there was a shooting at a Universalist Church nearby in 2008.

License plate database is obviously a negative, but monitoring the parking lot is smart.
Posted by tigerlion
Member since Jul 2009
2434 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:06 pm to
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There are already CCTV cameras on almost every block in any major city. There are millions of ring cameras on houses in every neighborhood in the country. If you think you're going out in public and not being recorded by a camera, you're about 20 years too late.


I’m not naive. A million wrongs don’t make a right though. We need fewer cameras not more. I’m also the same person who declines my photo being taken by the TSA agent at the airport. Again…I’m not naive. More so I prefer standing on principles.
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 8:08 pm
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
3741 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:15 pm to
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The Good Shepherd is always watching the flock.


Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47460 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:34 pm to
Our church has cameras all over the property, including a camera that captures license plate numbers. It’s not connected to any database, so all it can do is be evidence for the police in case of an incident, but we have needed to use them in the past.
Posted by Hampton
Member since Oct 2020
2709 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 9:39 pm to
Nope
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
5452 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:07 pm to
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looked on a the Flock map, and I know what the cursed things look like.


Research. Excellent. Knowledge. Excellent.

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The church would have some say in cameras pointed directly at its driveways, no?

I am guessing. But if they aren't the ones who placed it, I would lean towards them not having a say. If the cameras aren't their contract, they could appeal to whoever has the contract. But that doesn't mean the contract holder has to cooperate.
If the cameras Are their contract then yeah...

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Has it been proven that these things do anything to reduce crime? Considering all the crimes committed by law enforcement abusing them for personal reasons.

We are both on the same side of that argument. I agree with you 100%
Surveillance cameras only record deeds, not prevent anything.

With just the info from before, I had to think of the possibility the church could have had security cameras put up. In such case they could be alerted if somebody broke in while the church was empty. I live in the hood. Things like that happen a lot here.
Sec cameras can give leads, possibly provide evidence of an arrest. But the warning usually doesn't do enough good, when cops are generally 7 minutes away.
Or more.

For your original question. I don't want to habit anywhere in the sight of the FLOCK.
Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
19959 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 5:30 am to
No, I would burn that church to the ground. No hesitation.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17904 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 7:38 am to
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Do you want to live under surveillance while out in public and have no choice in the matter? You can leave your phone home, or get a non-smart phone. Or no phone at all.


Lmao. There’s no more living out of sight. They know where you’re at no matter what. There’s no reversing this course. So like I said, as long as you aren’t a criminal and aren’t someone who does the wrong things, then you should have nothing to worry about. This is no worry for the people who believe in law and order. We are a nation of rules.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
25641 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 7:45 am to
I do not like it when humans try to play God. This "all knowing" network of information gathering by humans is not a positive for mankind.

Civilians must counter with an "all knowing" network of information gathering by civilians of all government officials.

Then watch how quickly these networks get disbanded!!
Posted by tharre4
Member since Jan 2015
631 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:26 am to
Flock data is not stored locally in 99% of cases. They are all connected and share data across a searchable database.

Government obviously couldn’t possibly abuse such a database. They would never want to control us like sheep.

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This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 8:31 am
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
39428 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 8:33 am to
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I'll LOL if they start tracking collection bucket donations then pull proxy income to shame people.
Most is through bank drafts. Not sure of your point. You must be thinking Baptist.
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
3741 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:08 am to
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There’s no more living out of sight. They know where you’re at no matter what. There’s no reversing this course. So like I said, as long as you aren’t a criminal and aren’t someone who does the wrong things, then you should have nothing to worry about. This is no worry for the people who believe in law and order. We are a nation of rules.


I bet you would love living in England.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
64048 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:47 am to
I would still run from those. I would run so far away.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24679 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:36 pm to
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Would you attend a church that installed Flock cameras?

What about a few Ring 4K cameras with the service package?
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
15184 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:45 pm to
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No, I would burn that church to the ground. No hesitation.


You wouldn't burn shite to the ground.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 12:46 pm
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