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re: Would Iran still be a threat to us if we stopped meddling in the ME?
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:45 pm to LawyerBillboards
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:45 pm to LawyerBillboards
OP I'm with you, to some extent. I think the threat from Iran is overblown in a dramatic, major strike sense and that the fanaticism is largely overstated.
Candidly, I think there is a very good chance that part of Iran's basis in funding and supporting a variety of anti-Western and anti-Israeli terror causes is to provide a steady trickle of motivation for Western intervention in MENA and thereby propping up the occident-orient battle Iran needs to maintain the status quo as the sunni states steadily modernize (relatively).
That said, I think a lot of the disconnect is because the public and the IC may speak a different language on this stuff. Iran isn't likely to pick an existentialist fight with the US. They're not, in my opinion, constantly looking for opportunities to strike a massive blow to the United States.
Their tentacles are everywhere, however, and in that sense they rightfully garner a lot of military/intelligence attention. And while it's easy for me to look at Iran's population, the history of how radical Shia groups have operated and so forth and conclude Iran probably isn't worth losing sleep over, it's hard to blame the military/IC/political class for not putting all their confidence in that type of conclusion and operating instead on what they see - which is Iran consistently sticking its finger in our eye.
Candidly, I think there is a very good chance that part of Iran's basis in funding and supporting a variety of anti-Western and anti-Israeli terror causes is to provide a steady trickle of motivation for Western intervention in MENA and thereby propping up the occident-orient battle Iran needs to maintain the status quo as the sunni states steadily modernize (relatively).
That said, I think a lot of the disconnect is because the public and the IC may speak a different language on this stuff. Iran isn't likely to pick an existentialist fight with the US. They're not, in my opinion, constantly looking for opportunities to strike a massive blow to the United States.
Their tentacles are everywhere, however, and in that sense they rightfully garner a lot of military/intelligence attention. And while it's easy for me to look at Iran's population, the history of how radical Shia groups have operated and so forth and conclude Iran probably isn't worth losing sleep over, it's hard to blame the military/IC/political class for not putting all their confidence in that type of conclusion and operating instead on what they see - which is Iran consistently sticking its finger in our eye.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:45 pm to LawyerBillboards
Nope. The mullahs hate our very existence .
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:45 pm to HeadCall
I agree with what you are saying but what is your point about Iranian Oil? stable pricing? We have enough capacity to circumvent that and protect American interests. You're not being clear with your original comment.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:46 pm to LawyerBillboards
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Would Iran still be a threat to us if we stopped meddling in the ME?
Unless you plan for the whole US to become a muslim country, then the answer is yes.
Amazing that in 2025 people still do not understand what the Muzzys are all about.
There is no peaceful coexistence. Their goal, according to their false god is to dominate the entire world and make the infidels convert to Islam or kill them.
Think about they when you're hugging them and capitulating to them.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:46 pm to TrueTiger
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They drew first blood with a 444 day hostage taking.
Well, other than us overthrowing their elected government and installing an iron-fisted shah that kowtowed to the US, abused his citizens, and lived a life that makes the Saudis look like benevolent caretakers.
But, sure, the hostages thing was an outlier and a provocation.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:47 pm to LawyerBillboards
Trump had Iran broke in his last administration but Joe had to undo everything Trump did and allowed them to build back up.
Another Biden Failure
Another Biden Failure
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:48 pm to TrueTiger
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Ahhhh. The white ad hominem white flag of surrender.
I'm a true conservative. I don't support sending anyone's kids to die for military industrial complex company profits.
Keep sucking Bill Kristol's dick, bitch.

Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:49 pm to LawyerBillboards
Iran is not a threat to us.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:49 pm to TrueTiger
Another great job by the CiA helped lead to 444.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:52 pm to Tigergreg
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Are you aware that Iran is Shia, and not Sunni?
Ok. Radical Islam.
You might want to check your math, Wahhabis are Sunni. I just don't think they flog themselves in the street like Shia do, but they hate infidels just the same.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:53 pm to LawyerBillboards
How is Iran a threat to us?
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:56 pm to Snipe
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Unless you plan for the whole US to become a muslim country, then the answer is yes.
? How would Iran convert the US into an islamic country? This is a wild claim. I'm honestly trying to understand how people believe this.
Iran is a minority within the Muslim world. They are Shias.
Do the Sunnis that run Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan, Kuwait, UAE, etc not also have this programming? Aren't we cool with them?
Truly odd how little we interrogate our own programming.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 2:00 pm to back9Tiger
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I agree with what you are saying but what is your point about Iranian Oil? stable pricing? We have enough capacity to circumvent that and protect American interests. You're not being clear with your original comment
Obviously Middle East oil still affects the oil prices. If we completely disengage from the region and Iran grows more powerful there will be a major regional war which will upend the price of oil worldwide, including here in the US. Yeah we can produce just as much but those prices will still go up.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 2:02 pm to LawyerBillboards
Iran wasn't a threat to us until the Military Industrial Complex, removed Saddam Hussien from Iraq. Iraq was a buffer that kept Iran occupied. Once he was removed, Iran was free to fund terrorists around the globe. Therefore, we had an excuse to buy and expend more weapons.
Ike was right. He told us. But no one listened. Few remember.
Ike was right. He told us. But no one listened. Few remember.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 2:04 pm to LawyerBillboards
Iran might be a minority in the Muslim world but they are a minority that wields a lot of influence. Iran themselves are not a threat to the US whether we leave things along in the middle east or not. What is a threat is the groups that Iran funds and supplies and will keep funding and supplying even if we left the middle east alone.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 2:14 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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I don't support sending anyone's kids to die for military industrial complex company profits.
Yay! We agree!
Posted on 5/6/25 at 2:17 pm to TrueTiger
Wrong. You don't agree.
You want us going to war with Iran for zero reason.
Stop fricking lying.
You want us going to war with Iran for zero reason.
Stop fricking lying.
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