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re: Will the Dims learn a lesson and more toward the center or go full force farther left?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:05 am to sidewalkside
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:05 am to sidewalkside
They'll follow their party hard left right off the cliff. They have spent way too much time and energy convincing themselves that they are the smart ones, that they are on the right side of history. I think the realization that the opposite may be true has sent them over the edge. Reason and logic have left the building for them if it was ever there to begin with.
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Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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No stances on things like abortion, gay marriage, etc are much more center-left than far right.
And stances on things like immigration, trans athletes, middle class tax rates, and transing children are more center right than far-left.
Or at least that was the case for immigration before the current administration shut the border down.
And you'll say that the "trans" issues are not the Democrat's "natural state," but my argument would be that if you take that stance on trans, you can't use gay marriage. Gay marriage only became the majority view AFTER the SCOTUS decision that legalized it. Before then it was pretty evenly split according to a Gallup poll in 2005.
The difference being that actualizing gay marriage made the popularity of it increase, whereas actualizing trans issues made the popularity of it decrease.
And Obergfell was only 10 years ago.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:10 am to Bronson2017
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The right is in an interesting spot where if they go further right they seem to be getting stronger whereas for the left if they want to survive they are going to have to go to the middle. If they go any further radical left it’s done for them I think.
the right isnt going further right. that's a stupid, leftist, MSM talking point that should be completely disregarded. being more vocal, standing up for themselves, pushing back against leftist extremism...those things arent "going further right".
there is not a single mainstream conservative position in 2025 that is further right than in 2015, 2005, 1995, or 1985. many are further left, if anything.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:23 am to Tigerdew
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If they go to the center / nobody will believe a single word they say. It’s going to take a lot of years for people to ever trust that party again
You’d think the masses would have a memory, but I’m not so confident. In no time at all the prosperity of 45 was forgotten with Covid and we ended up with a senile president.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:28 am to sidewalkside
The New Deal Coalition should be re-constituted. It worked for multiple elections and even Republicans were at least accepting of Democratic administrations. The Dems appealed to middle and working class voters, regardless of ethnicity.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:34 am to VOR
What would you see as the "New Deal" type further goals at this point?
As see it, that stuff has gone about as far as the American public has the stomach for. What else is there for normal people to want government to give them in a New Deal sense?
Therein lies your problem.
As see it, that stuff has gone about as far as the American public has the stomach for. What else is there for normal people to want government to give them in a New Deal sense?
Therein lies your problem.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:35 am to sidewalkside
Pragmatists don’t celebrate political assassinations.
Pragmatists don’t argue with truisms.
Pragmatists don’t take nonsense positions just because their opponent has taken the opposite position.
They are not a party of pragmatists. They are not a party of compromise.
They can only advocate for Revolution. It’s their only play.
Pragmatists don’t argue with truisms.
Pragmatists don’t take nonsense positions just because their opponent has taken the opposite position.
They are not a party of pragmatists. They are not a party of compromise.
They can only advocate for Revolution. It’s their only play.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:35 am to DerkaDerka
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You’d think the masses would have a memory, but I’m not so confident. In no time at all the prosperity of 45 was forgotten with Covid and we ended up with a senile president.
Yeah, COVID was a microcosm of what will happen with the Dems. The Biden administration and MSM colluded to declare it was "over" once it was obvious that mask/vaccine mandates and social distancing were becoming extremely unpopular.
I suspect something similar will eventually happen here. There will be a strong push to the center and most Dems will follow, just as they did with COVID. Some stragglers will be left behind (again, same with COVID--they are the people still masking up daily), but they have no choice at this point.
It may take a beatdown in the mid-terms for this plan to be put into motion, but it's inevitable.
This post was edited on 9/23/25 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:36 am to sidewalkside
They are all far left at this point. There is no move to the center other than pathetic rinos moving more left
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:36 am to VOR
quote:You progressives are too busy focusing on gender, sexualizing children, and dividing everyone into racial groups to give even a modicum of thought towards middle class and working class voters.
The New Deal Coalition should be re-constituted.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:48 am to sidewalkside
What have you seen that would indicate the Marxist Dems will do anything different?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 11:59 am to sidewalkside
Not a chance. I think they’ll double down.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 12:00 pm to sidewalkside
This isn't really a serious question, no offense intended. Were the Democrats a "policy" party they could self-correct. But the entire party-the rank and file-have been ideologically captured by Marxist ideologues and can only continue to agitate for cultural Revolution. They are now a Revolutionary Party. And now that over 50% of Democrats report that political violence is acceptable under some circumstances (not involving self-defense), the Overton Window has shifted so far, we start with that premise. We are asking them to please walk it back and they are openly laughing at us.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 12:01 pm to sidewalkside
They have to stay left as no one would believe a centrist position
Their best hope is a crippled economy
Their best hope is a crippled economy
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:03 pm to ThoUpOrange
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here will be a strong push to the center and most Dems will follow,
They will go back to the slow and silent push to authoritarianism. They covered a lot of ground with this recent overt push, so much so that it can't be all undone as easily as it went in. So back to the shadows and all will soon be forgotten. Rinse and repeat, none of it makes it to the history books.
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