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re: Will the current Gerrymandering set up a political balkanization of the U.S.?
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:38 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:38 pm to imjustafatkid
lol
Republicans - "We didn’t create this new districting map with the intent to racially discriminate; we created it to perpetuate and protect political incumbency and power structures created from past racial discrimination. That doesn’t violate Sec. 2 of VRA"
Republicans - "We didn’t create this new districting map with the intent to racially discriminate; we created it to perpetuate and protect political incumbency and power structures created from past racial discrimination. That doesn’t violate Sec. 2 of VRA"
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:42 pm to TheMagicMan
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political balkanization
Um, this already exists. Massachusetts has a perfect example. About 30 years ago they rigged the system so no congress position would ever be republican again. The 6th and 3rd were the last and for the first time in over 60 years they had 2. by 96 the machine ended it all.
They cheated and still do dump ballots to keep conservatives from winning. if they ever were to audit - truly do and audit, they would find Mass to be about 50/50, but the socialist, foreigners and academia have created an unbreakable block. Mass is the most corrupt, fraudulent state in the country.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:46 pm to BamaCoaster
quote:quote:Incorrect.
On the other end, a lot of Democrats are probably going to end up leaving the South for the Northeast.
Can we take up a collection to send Louisiana Democrats to Southie?
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:46 pm to atlgamecockman
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atlgamecockman
Retardalert
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:48 pm to TheMagicMan
Uhh we balkanized long before this, starting in the 90’s. See “The Great Sort” and the origin of Red and Blue states.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:51 pm to Sweep Da Leg
refute it
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:57 pm to TheMagicMan
Feed total population by county into a map and let a computer spit out the congressional districts based on nothing but population and geography.
Tell both parties to kick sand and that their candidates can go out and try to win the districts where they live if they want to be in Congress.
This process doesn’t have to be complicated or corrupt. The candidates will bring enough of that to the table themselves.
Tell both parties to kick sand and that their candidates can go out and try to win the districts where they live if they want to be in Congress.
This process doesn’t have to be complicated or corrupt. The candidates will bring enough of that to the table themselves.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:01 pm to TheMagicMan
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Thoughts? Will more people move to places that are in line with their political beliefs? Will this essentially fracture the United States?
Cooler heads will have to prevail at some point. At my age, I just say leave it up to the 30 and 40/50 somethings because they are going to have to live with this. Problem is if and when the democrats return to power, they will seek retribution. It's not a way to have a country. And it is obvious at this point the democrats will go to extreme measures to get their vision of utopia.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:01 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Well, the USSC ruling helps return things to the way it was originally intended. What you are seeing now from republican states is just a correction to the gerrymandering done by democrats for years.
This is the truth and the Republican states likely wouldn’t have had a leg to stand on to right the wrongs of forced racial gerrymandering had some DEI federal judge hadn’t taken things too far in Louisiana.
What people haven’t realized is the NE states, Illinois and California have been politically gerrymandering for decades while Southern states have had to make “accommodations” for black districts that wouldn’t exist had it not been forced down their throats. All I can say is the CBC is about to shrink dramatically which is. Good thing!
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:03 pm to TheMagicMan
The gerrymandering is a symptom, not a root cause.
The democratic states have long ago gerrymandered themselves into power beyond their actual voter base.
The states with normal people are now catching up to correct this democrat over-representation.
The democratic states have long ago gerrymandered themselves into power beyond their actual voter base.
The states with normal people are now catching up to correct this democrat over-representation.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:06 pm to atlgamecockman
Ridiculous.
Have you seen the gerrymandered map of Louisiana that was a basis for the most recent legal challenge? It was beyond obvious that it was terribly contorted solely to have a district with a majority Black vote. All of us, including you, should be thankful that the Supreme Court is putting us on a path to get away from race as a basis for selecting districts for elections.
Have you seen the gerrymandered map of Louisiana that was a basis for the most recent legal challenge? It was beyond obvious that it was terribly contorted solely to have a district with a majority Black vote. All of us, including you, should be thankful that the Supreme Court is putting us on a path to get away from race as a basis for selecting districts for elections.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:08 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Feed total population by county into a map and let a computer spit out the congressional districts based on nothing but population and geography.
Tell both parties to kick sand and that their candidates can go out and try to win the districts where they live if they want to be in Congress.
This process doesn’t have to be complicated or corrupt. The candidates will bring enough of that to the table themselves.
Amen.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:14 pm to TheMagicMan
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On the other end, a lot of Democrats are probably going to end up leaving the South for the Northeast.
lol your leftist slip is showing
Nice try, tho.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:14 pm to FlyDownTheField83
I think that is admirable but the VRA was put into place because certain states couldn't be trusted to not racially discriminate or like I said, protect the power gained through that discrimination and segregation.
Not sure what changed to make the SCOTUS decide that I guess the southern states should be free to continue that protective insular behavior, but they did.
And if you think the south is some post-racial "everyone is all equal" place, I suggest you peruse this very board and read some of the general thoughts on race, especially black Americans here.
Not sure what changed to make the SCOTUS decide that I guess the southern states should be free to continue that protective insular behavior, but they did.
And if you think the south is some post-racial "everyone is all equal" place, I suggest you peruse this very board and read some of the general thoughts on race, especially black Americans here.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 2:02 pm to atlgamecockman
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Republicans - "We didn’t create this new districting map with the intent to racially discriminate; we created it to perpetuate and protect political incumbency and power structures created from past racial discrimination. That doesn’t violate Sec. 2 of VRA"
Correct. This is 100% and completely accurate and exactly what is happening.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 2:42 pm to atlgamecockman
What changed on the SCOTUS appears to be they do not want discrimination based on race, which is what Justice Robert’s said.
As far as continuing racism and discrimination based on race that would be a Democratic approach to the problems of the past, and it has failed repeatedly.
I know there are idiots on this board that say ridiculous things about race, but that does not change the fact that we should all welcome an effort to reduce the effects of poor decisions based on an over-correction using race as a basis for drawing election districts.
As far as continuing racism and discrimination based on race that would be a Democratic approach to the problems of the past, and it has failed repeatedly.
I know there are idiots on this board that say ridiculous things about race, but that does not change the fact that we should all welcome an effort to reduce the effects of poor decisions based on an over-correction using race as a basis for drawing election districts.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 2:48 pm to FlyDownTheField83
I'm 100% for the computer-drawn maps. Gerrymandering is a bad way of doing business regardless matter who is doing it, be it Dems in IL or GOP in TX.
But without an independent commission doing the lines on a state by state basis, you are going to have both parties further entrenching themselves with these nutty maps. It's voter suppression, and it's wrong.
That opinion does not preclude the earlier post I made
But without an independent commission doing the lines on a state by state basis, you are going to have both parties further entrenching themselves with these nutty maps. It's voter suppression, and it's wrong.
That opinion does not preclude the earlier post I made
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:03 pm to atlgamecockman
Computer drawn maps based solely on population density makes a lot of sense to me as well.
I agree that the gerrymandering based on race is a form of voter suppression.
I agree that the gerrymandering based on race is a form of voter suppression.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:14 pm to TheMagicMan
Nah Democrats are tearing down their states.
FDR style good government Democrats are extinct.
There's one blue dog left from extinction left in the senate.
We oppose them because they are harmful, not because we prefer different.
FDR style good government Democrats are extinct.
There's one blue dog left from extinction left in the senate.
We oppose them because they are harmful, not because we prefer different.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:15 pm to udtiger
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It's clear peaceful coexistence is impossible, regardless of bumper stickers.
As someone who lives in a bright red area but has family, friends and has worked extensively in deep blue areas I've been saying this for a decade.
It cant work because the two sides want things the other side wont accept.
The only possibilities for coexistence is handing powers back to the states from the federal government, secession or coercion of the other side via force until they capitulate.
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