re: Why wouldn’t you want a successful vaccine with these stats?

Because it’s a fricking VIRUS. I don’t give a frick if you die, I worry your dumb arse could infect and kill someone else. Some people can’t take the vaccine who have auto immune disorders, etc, it’s not about you it’s about a VIRuS that you are probably unknowingly spreading and killing people. Their blood is on your hands and I hope one day karma gets you back.

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Their blood is on your hands and I hope one day karma gets you back.

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I suggest you log off, this is unacceptable

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I didnt say anything, or even take a position on the vaccines, so what is my logic here to you?

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probably the thing you asked me twice seemingly as some type of gotcha... quoted below.

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but you are protected, so why are you concerned with others?

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that quote shows your flawed logic. it is a fact that the ratio of infected/infectible people to immune/protected matters with respect to the impact of any vaccine. you can't put on a rain coat and expect to stay dry jumping into a pool. A large amount of anti-vaxers does decrease the impact of a vaccine. this is a concept you dont seem to grasp if you are asking a question like that multiple times.

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some trust the data and the govt on the vax, some dont. you accept risks, they accept risks, why do they have to accept the risks you accepted? you chose not to accept the risks that they accept. let the chips fall where they may

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again they don't and I never said they need to. im not super concerned about covid and im not for forcing any decisions. Im pointing out nonsense reasoning that has nothing to do with risk acceptance. the chips can fall where they may as long as you don't expect me to go along with you claiming they landed on a flat earth.

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There’s been 346 million doses given in the US alone. Those numbers aren’t shite

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Says who?

Regardless of what the number is, the spike proteins in the individuals bodies aren’t going away & the stated cases will only grow.

Now factor in booster shots. It becomes a game of Russian roulette.

5-10 deaths usually trigger attention. 50 deaths & its shutdown time, but not in this case?

Tip of the iceberg when considering the lies, manipulation, misinformation, blocked data & flip flopping. Pause & investigation is pretty logical for those that have the capacity.

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Need more data on those deaths. Are those deaths directly linked to the vaccine? Alot of old arse and sick people have received it. How do we know they just haven't died because they were old and sick?

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Are those deaths directly linked to the vaccine? Alot of old arse and sick people have received it. How do we know they just haven't died because they were old and sick?

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Kind of funny that if you died from a heart attack while having covid you were listed as dying of covid but now if you die of a heart attack while being vaccinated you died of a heart attack.

At least that is the way it's being presented.

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11,190 deaths

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So virtually every medical professional in my circle has willingly taken/administered a vaccine they KNOW is actively causing deaths at this rate? I've got plenty of non-medical folks around me who have declined the jab (which is their right IMHO), but the couple dozen medical professionals I've spoken with have (1) taken the vaccine themselves, (2) ensured their family members took the vaccine, and (3) tried to get their patients/friends vaccinated. Have they all just crawled up the arse of Big Vax?

Tell you what I think: In the days before Covid there were stories out there about little enclaves of liberal folks out in California and elsewhere who were dealing with some of the last remaining measles, mumps, and rubella infections anywhere in the world. The reason: They had convinced themselves that vaccines were causing autism and worse. They were universally derided as being essentially flat-earthers in the 21st century, and even folks on TD.com would land an occasional jab at these folks' lunacy.

Now, we've gone full-circle, and the people who laughed at the anti-vaxxers are now buying the same line of bullshite.

To be clear, this old libertarian thinks you should do whatever you want with your body, and IDGAF if you decide to forego this particular vaccination. I understand that reasonable minds may differ, and, in fact, my dad was diagnosed with Covid this weekend after spurning every Covid restriction enacted since March 2020. Obviously, he declined the vaccine. He's an adult and can make his own decisions--the hell with what anyone thinks.

My struggle is with understanding the logic of impugning a group of folks who forego something like the MMR vaccine due to non-existent health risks while almost simultaneously declining the Covid vaccine due to the same potential health risks.

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0% of those suffering adverse reactions from the vaccines have any legal recourse (nor do their families) for compensation of any sort of damages from the pharmaceutical companies due to this all being done under the Prep Act.

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This is not true, in fact there is a whole court set up just for vaccine lawsuit and claims. The court of federal claims has a vaccine court where all vaccine claims are brought. So 100% of the families can seek compensation and have their claim litigated but hey it’s more fun to just make stuff up.