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re: Why would the idiots of this State vote against Amendment 3?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 7:45 am to Grumpy Nemesis
Posted on 3/31/25 at 7:45 am to Grumpy Nemesis
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I need to know more. It says there's already a list of crimes that you can be charged as an adult for. So what is the supposed benefit of this new Amendment? Are there crimes not currently on the list that we wish were? If so what are they
It would have removed the specific crimes and allowed the legislature to designate specific crimes by statute instead of being tied to to list in the state constitution.
This discussion is ridiculous. Truly amazing.
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Posted on 3/31/25 at 7:54 am to Grumpy Nemesis
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I need to know more. It says there's already a list of crimes that you can be charged as an adult for. So what is the supposed benefit of this new Amendment? Are there crimes not currently on the list that we wish were? If so what are they
Generally they would elevate to adult court for rape and murder.
But let’s say you did a home invasion with guns and didnt kill anyone. That sort of thing wouldn’t. So you’d be eligible for release at 21 if charged as a juvenile for some of these crimes.
The only negative I see is the drug crimes. What I wouldn’t want is ruining some kids life over him taking some pills or smoking weed. You can rehabilitate from substance abuse.
Now if they are out committing murder and armed robbery, that’s different.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 7:59 am to 4cubbies
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extreme scenarios
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making things up
You are a fricking retarded clown.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:08 am to dgnx6
quote:Exactly.
So stay the same course?
See, the problem here is the voters
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 8:10 am
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:14 am to TigerGman
Fwiw- I voted yes for that amendment
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:26 am to oldskule
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ALL 4 amendments were good for this state
No, they were not.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:27 am to Stealth Matrix
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You are a fricking retarded clown.
Really compelling argument. I can totally see how you thoughtfully Drew your conclusion that just so happens to be the talking point of Temu Trump. Really coincidental!
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 8:28 am
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:42 am to TigerGman
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So a 15 year old that murders 4 year old in cold blood deserves different treatment?
Well murder isn’t the only thing the legislature would be able to change procedures on. I really don’t want a legislature that bends over backward for the Louisiana Sheirffs Assc to be able to put my 15 year old away for 20 years if some whore decides she was raped instead of consented. I live in a policed State here in Franklinton where we spend 3.5 million a year on police and fire services, plus a sheriffs office. The local chief runs a look at me Facebook page and he’d love nothing more than to post how he put a young “sex predator” in jail.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:52 am to spslayto
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This was an open invite for the legislature to add more crimes to that list.
Or bail a big donor’s kid out of a hot spot and send it to juvenile the courts.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 10:22 am
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:54 am to TigerGman
Me
I may be wrong but the way I read it they would remove the list & start over
Starting over would require 2/3 vote
I’d rather at least have 16 things they could be tried for, I don’t trust that they would vote in more than 16 crimes
ETA
None of this matters until DA’s & judges do their jobs
I may be wrong but the way I read it they would remove the list & start over
Starting over would require 2/3 vote
I’d rather at least have 16 things they could be tried for, I don’t trust that they would vote in more than 16 crimes
ETA
None of this matters until DA’s & judges do their jobs
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 8:57 am
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:58 am to TigerGman
They need to quite filling these amendments with so much BS. Voters (especially Louisiana voters) need shite to be simple. Start writing these things in a way that most people in this state can comprehend and maybe some things will get passed.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:46 am to dgnx6
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lol, this is a lie.
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The report, Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States 2022, reviewed the cases of 3,200 innocent defendants exonerated in the U.S. since 1989 and found that Black Americans are seven times more likely than white Americans to be falsely convicted of serious crimes. This is true across all major crime categories except for white collar crime, the report said.
LINK
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The report, Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States 2022, reviewed the cases of 3,200 innocent defendants exonerated in the United States since 1989. Black people, the researchers found, were 7 times more likely to be wrongfully convicted, were more likely to be the targets of police misconduct, and more likely to be imprisoned longer before being exonerated.
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Black males received [federal ]sentences 13.4 percent longer, and Hispanic males received sentences 11.2 percent longer, than White males
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Using rich new linked data that allow us to address the sample selection
problems and other limitations that have pervaded prior research, this
paper provides robust evidence that black male federal arrestees ultimately face longer prison terms than whites arrested for the same offenses with the same prior records
What sources do you have that informed your claim that blacks are shown leniency?
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15 year old with multi carjacking charges.
Do you have a source for this? I haven't been able to find anything that backs this up. The 17 year old had a prior charge for car jacking that was ultimately dropped but the 15 year old girls didn't have any prior arrests as far as I know.
What those kids did was horrific and they earned their sentences regardless of what they did or didn't do prior to that day.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 10:43 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Yes, But that doesn't answer my question.
It would have removed the specific crimes and allowed the legislature to designate specific crimes by statute instead of being tied to to list in the state constitution.
Are there things missing on the current list that we want the legislature to add??
Posted on 3/31/25 at 10:44 am to dgnx6
quote:I plead ignorance here but aren't these two already on the current list?
Generally they would elevate to adult court for rape and murder.
I guess my point is. Sure. If there are crimes the current constitution is overlooking that the Amendment would have facilitated adding, then, cool.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 10:52 am to TigerGman
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You can't put lipstick on a pig and tell us it's a dog.
This is retarded.
Why would a lipstick on a pig convince anyone it was a dog? Dogs don't wear lipstick.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:08 am to Grumpy Nemesis
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Are there things missing on the current list that we want the legislature to add??
Wrong question. Do you want to vote on a constitutional amendment to address this every time a new heinous crime you haven't considered pops up?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:20 am to jake wade
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Maybe if they worded the amendments where the common man could understand them better.
Yes, and made more of an effort to get it out to the public.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:33 am to imjustafatkid
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Wrong question. Do you want to vote on a constitutional amendment to address this every time a new heinous crime you haven't considered pops up?
Have their been a rash of new crimes heretofore uninvented?
Perhaps I have no imagination but sitting here right now, I can't think of a single even POTENTIAL crime that I would want on the list that I imagine isn't already on it.
We may have 50 flavors of murder, but they're all murder.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:51 am to ragincajun03
Bingo. Legislators want to pawn off responsibilities for their votes on the voter and then when things go bad with the policy, they can throw up their hands and point back saying.....it's in the Constitution, remember, you voted for it.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:15 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Have their been a rash of new crimes heretofore uninvented?
Perhaps I have no imagination but sitting here right now, I can't think of a single even POTENTIAL crime that I would want on the list that I imagine isn't already on it.
We may have 50 flavors of murder, but they're all murder.
OK then. Do you want to vote on a constitutional amendment every time you want to remove a crime from this list?
There's no good way to slice it. This is stupid.
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