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Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:05 pm to TailbackU
Went outside the chain of command with his letter. And he distributed his letter outside the chain of command and on an insecure network. That's insubordination. And he was after all a Captain of an aircraft carrier. He gone!
Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:06 pm to the808bass
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He is responsible for leaking the email he sent to his superiors.
Loose Lips Sink Ships
Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:12 pm to AggieHank86
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Someone leaked his memo, and The Man needed a scapegoat.
It’s obvious you never served, but weren’t you around cadets enough to get some inkling of how the military functions?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:12 pm to TailbackU
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Would be interested in the board's take on what happened here.
He broadcast a critical mission-readiness situation to dozens of people who had no need to know - he by-passed a chain of command that was already addressing the problem.
Was 'virtue signalling' <=== this is my uninformed opinion on the situation - standing by for more solid information..
But it did seem strange to me that the commander of one of the world;'s deadliest weapons of war and a huge link in our national security chain broadcast to the entire f'n world that we have an aircraft carrier whose capability to perform its mission is in doubt.
If he had tried to get the chain of command to act and they refused, then he had a legitimate gripe - not sure how to handle that - but broadcasting the situation to the world is definitely not the answer = awful judgment for someone in that position.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:16 pm to TailbackU
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He was roundly cheered and supported as he left the ship. Would be interested in the board's take on what happened here.
No wonder that bama fans hate your arse...
Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:20 pm to AndyJ
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But he did what he thought was best for his men.
Contrary to popular opinion, this is not the standard that senior military leaders use in real life. The mission is first, and he has a mission every day of his command.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:33 pm to AndyJ
quote:Putting them in danger by announcing to the world their vulnerability was best for “his men”? What an odd take.
But he did what he thought was best for his men
Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:35 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:It seems pretty clear he wanted to call attention to himself. He should resign his commission and become an instagram influencer if that’s what he wants to do.
Was 'virtue signalling' <=== this is my uninformed opinion on the situation
Posted on 4/4/20 at 4:35 pm to AndyJ
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Oh come on. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have been fired. But he did what he thought was best for his men. That is NOT an embarrassment.
If Eisenhower did what was best for his men on D-Day, they would have never landed on the Normandy beaches. History would be very different if military leaders did what was best for their men.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 5:22 pm to TailbackU
Trump supports the firing. At least he just said he did.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 5:30 pm to BigLSUNut
quote:people also forget that a carrier doesn’t operate on its own. It comes with an entire battle group. Cozier endangered those sailors as well to protect “his men”. (do people not realize they have women on board theses days?
History would be very different if military leaders did what was best for their men.
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 6:24 pm to TailbackU
He compromised OPSEC of a capital ship.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 7:19 pm to TailbackU
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Why was Navy Capt. Crozier fired?
because you don't take your bitch outside the chain of command, especially to a public forum.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 7:21 pm to ljhog
What people fail to understand is that, he wasn't demoted for his stance/beliefs. He was demoted for leaking information about his crews readiness, that is against the rules.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 7:37 pm to TailbackU
He didn’t communicate through the proper chain of command. End of story.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 7:40 pm to TailbackU
There was no investigation so...i guess we will never know
Posted on 4/4/20 at 7:42 pm to TailbackU
He let the entire world know his ship was vulnerable and not combat ready. The fact that his crew (the ones in actual danger) cheered him is a testament to the pussification of the American military. I'm so glad I retired.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 4/4/20 at 8:10 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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He let the entire world know his ship was vulnerable and not combat ready. The fact that his crew (the ones in actual danger) cheered him is a testament to the pussification of the American military. I'm so glad I retired.
Are you certain that they were cheering him or were they cheering his departure?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 8:18 pm to TailbackU
He sent a fairly sensitive letter to a broad audience without forethought that it would leak (intentionally most probably). While not out right traitorous it’s close. He gave away force readiness posture information and that completely violates OPSEC rules that of my E-4 son did he would likely face charges.
He should face at least. Formal LOR if not Courts Marshal.
He should face at least. Formal LOR if not Courts Marshal.
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