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re: Why doesn’t Vivek, Elon and Sachs just outsource code monkeys instead of H1Bs?

Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:36 am to
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:36 am to
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If you are a hardworking good coder from America then you won't ever have to worry about your job being replaced.


Not how it works. If you are deemed too expensive you will be replaced, no matter how good you are at your job. Being selected as Employee of the Quarter in Q4 2023 at my last job (out of 500+ corporate employees) didn't save me from being replaced by an Indian.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298326 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:37 am to
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Your argument is the 2024 version of "who will pick the cotton?".


Not at all.

Unless you think it requires some level of technical skill and brainpower to pick cotton.

I would love to see "Americans" take these jobs but thats a pipe dream.
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 7:38 am
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:38 am to
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Give specific examples


Read any of the Vivek/Musk threads on the first page. They're everywhere. You're one of them too

Your short-term memory must really suck.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476126 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:38 am to
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Not at all.

They just want to force in "Slavery" no matter how stupid they sound.

The NPCs were given orders and they will repeat what they're told to repeat, no matter how bad it makes them look.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298326 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:38 am to
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If you are deemed too expensive you will be replaced, no matter how good you are at your job.


Thats a really dumb employer who is doomed to fail.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298326 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:39 am to
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They just want to force in "Slavery" no matter how stupid they sound.


Theyre getting worse than SJWs.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:40 am to
Why are tech companies in India not kicking our arse?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476126 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:40 am to
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Read any of the Vivek/Musk threads on the first page. They're everywhere. You're one of them too

Your short-term memory must really suck.

I know I've commented on this issue. You made a comment and you're not giving specific examples.

You seem to be confused as to what is actually going on, and I was going to work with you through that so you understand the bigger picture.

I have always criticized MAGA's economic leftism. Watching MAGA baws who once claimed to be fighting socialism now arguing for it, is quite the sight to see. Your issue is that you don't seem to understand which one is the real MAGA or not, in this civil war.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:41 am to
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Why are tech companies in India not kicking our arse?


Because we steal their brainpower.

Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26376 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:41 am to
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Usually they try to sweeten the deal and say you’re fired today or you can train your replacement.



When I was told I had to train my Indian replacement to get my severance I did the bare minimum. I showed my replacement the data warehouses, explained to him various parts of the business, and that type of stuff. But I didn't share any of my code with him and didn't give him access to any of the frameworks or processes I had developed. The company was super pissed about that but it wasn't a part of the deal for me to get my severance so there was nothing they could do. I told them you want to replace me surely enough this super talented and capable replacement can code all of the framework and processes I had in place.
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26376 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:42 am to
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Why are tech companies in India not kicking our arse?



Why aren't China or Japan importing these super talented H1B Werner Von Brauns from India by the gross if they are so beneficial?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:43 am to
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Because we steal their brainpower.


Holy frick lmao
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122540 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:43 am to
That doesn’t make sense if you are looking at population numbers v H1B visas. Again, why is India not more of a tech power?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298326 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:43 am to
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Why aren't China or Japan importing these super talented H1B Werner Von Brauns from India by the gross if they are so beneficial?



Because the prefer the US, UK and Canada
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476126 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:43 am to
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Why aren't China or Japan importing these super talented H1B Werner Von Brauns from India by the gross if they are so beneficial?


Largely racism. There is a reason why they're falling behind economically, with absolutely dismal long-term future outlooks.
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 7:44 am
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26376 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:45 am to
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That doesn’t make sense if you are looking at population numbers v H1B visas. Again, why is India not more of a tech power?



Someone on here seriously was making the case yesterday that it was due to... geography.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298326 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:45 am to
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Because we steal their brainpower.


Holy frick lmao


quote:

When it comes to Brian Drain, it’s not just the students or young skilled professionals who are eager to go abroad. But now there’s another emerging trend among the millennials who, for one, are leaving India for mental peace and the freedom to live the way they want to, without the rigid societal diktats and rules which the Indian society thrusts


The great indian brain drain.

Dont let facts get in the way of your zoomerisms
Posted by Sailin Tiger
Member since Jul 2014
1680 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:47 am to
Functional code and good code are not the same thing. As someone who does some coding in order to create interfaces and utilize APIs as part of my job as a systems engineer I do not have nearly the same skill level as our two on-site developers. We do sometimes outsource pieces of projects to other firms when it makes sense from a time management standpoint the work done always has to be cleaned up before being being reconciled into the production applications.
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
6115 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:47 am to
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Largely racism


Largely racism = they have higher values than GDP and/or they don't want to ruin their culture by inviting a 3rd world invasion.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
21833 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:49 am to
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